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Bush wants war with Iran


Wednesday, January 30, 2008 6:44 AM PST

On Aug. 30, 2007, either five or six live nuclear warheads were mounted in combat configuration on the external pylons of a B-52, and "transported" from Minot Air Force Base, N.D., to Barksdale Air Force Base, La.

The fact that five warheads were off-loaded at Barksdale AFB is not in question. The question is whether they on-loaded five warheads, or six, at Minot. If anyone wants to know for sure whether it was five or six, they might have to ask one of the six military service members who are now dead.

There are several implications that point up the chain-of-command, all the way to the president. Removal of nuclear warheads out of the high security area, and transport across the base requires approval from the base commander. Warheads cannot be activated except by entry of secret codes that are under the command of the president. Security protocol forbids co-mingling of nuclear warheads with dummies, but the nuclear warheads were co-mingled anyway, and nuclear security protocol stood down.

At Barksdale AFB, confusion resulted in the nuclear-armed B-52 being left, unguarded, for 10 hours. The worst possible culprit who could have dismounted a nuclear-armed cruise missile from an external pylon would be my trusted government. If it is true that six warheads were mounted onto the aircraft, and I think it is true, the USAF just lost a nuke, and it is armed. Since it is off the books, it can be used in a false flag attack, to create the appearance of being Iranian.

Now, if one considers that a nuke is on the loose, and the Bush Administration wants to have war in Iran, it is plausible that the nuke could be used for a false-flag attack, to display the appearance of being Iranian, to justify war. The Bush Administration is campaigning that Iran is nuclear, and it has eliminated a conflicting source of intelligence in Valerie Plame. In the Strait of Hormuz, we are told that the fast-attack speed boats were Iranian. I think they were American.

Daniel Hutchins
Acampo

Reader Feedback

girard74 wrote on Feb 7, 2008 5:46 PM:

" I admit that I have made a very big mistake. A week or so ago I pledged to no longer debate or discuss anything with people who have proven to me to be either intellectually dishonest or anti-Semitic.

I violated my own rule after allowing myself to be baited into what first appeared to be an honest request for discourse. As anyone can tell from recent posts on this page, I was very foolish.

A snake is a snake is a snake. I will not make this mistake a second time. "

girard74 wrote on Feb 7, 2008 4:47 PM:

" To finish this silliness, your wife, danielh, asked me what I thought - I answered ad nauseum. His and your responses: nothing. I can only take that to understand that either you agree with what I wrote or you simply don't have an argument. "

wtf wrote on Feb 7, 2008 4:24 PM:

" girard74 said, "I take nothing either of you write or communicate seriously..."

Su-u-u-re, Jerry....er, girard74; that's why you bluster so much on all the blogs and post such disagreeable comments to **everyone** while not answering direct questions. All you do, as I've said before, is muddy up the water, criticize and whine.

You're pathetic. "

girard74 wrote on Feb 7, 2008 4:03 PM:

" Danny boy - What is truly amazing is that you had nothing, absolutely nothing to support any of your own contentions or beliefs, and you've offered nothing, absolutely nothing to counter my answers to your silly little question of, 'What do you think of the author up there?'

I told you what I thought of the author, hoping you would understand what I think of you; yet you simply couldn't figure that out. Any other moron would have read into my incredibly transparent words - you simply don't have the capacity to 'think.' "

girard74 wrote on Feb 7, 2008 3:54 PM:

" Uh, Daniel - you lack the capacity to think in one dimension. I know who YOU are and who the AUTHOR is. That is exactly WHY I wrote my posts in the way that I did. Such stupidity.

And wtf - google away - what you find should not surprise you at all. Like you and Daniel, I have respect for myself and for others. Daniel has proven himself to be a liar and you at the very best disingenuous.

I take nothing either of you write or communicate seriously - to do so would be a complete waste of time. "

danielh wrote on Feb 6, 2008 9:42 PM:

" wtf: Also, he always speaks of the author in the 3rd-person. I don't think he understands how well I know the author. "

danielh wrote on Feb 6, 2008 9:42 PM:

" wtf: Thanks. I wanted to force him to commit to his opinion, so that we could understand what makes him tick.




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wtf wrote on Feb 6, 2008 9:11 PM:

" danielh - for what it's worth, I've looked at some of the other letters/articles that have blogs in the LNS and have noticed that girard74 is the same old bore with **everyone** He appears to have a problem with rectal cranial inversion. Oh, by the way, try googling girard74, you'll be surprised at what you find - especially on MySpace. Personally, I think he works for the LNS as a gatekeeper. Have to keep the good citizens pro-war you know. "

danielh wrote on Feb 6, 2008 6:29 PM:

" girad: I would have a field day if you would like to publish your opinion. "

danielh wrote on Feb 6, 2008 6:27 PM:

" girard: You only discredited your own level of comprehension:

You implied that your "faith in the USA&USAF" is sufficient to disprove “a conspiracy so vast for it to be true would completely destroy my faith in the USA&USAF.”

This is not a proof of anything except yourself. "

girard74 wrote on Feb 5, 2008 9:43 PM:

" Finally, the author claimed that the nuclear warhead that he 'believed' to be lost was 'armed.' While it may be a matter of semantics, the weapon certainly was not armed. It could not detonate upon crashing, although the non-nuclear material would most certainly cause damage (as someone else posted earlier).

I take issue with the contention that if the plane exploded in flight that the nuke could detonate (again, posted by someone else), as the weapon MUST be armed before the necessary reaction takes place to detonate the missle.

See, there was virtually nothing believable (to me) in the letter. "

girard74 wrote on Feb 5, 2008 9:38 PM:

" My final reason that I believe the author lacked any merit was his last statement that he 'thought' the Iran fast boats were the USA's.

There has been no credible evidence given that those boats were not Iranian, except the self-serving denials by the Iranians themselves.

As with a missing warhead, for the US to create the incident would require a very large conspiracy that could not be contained and maintained.

Remember, a wise man (Benjamin Franklin) once said, 'For three people to keep a secret, two of them must be dead.' There is truth in that statement. "

girard74 wrote on Feb 5, 2008 9:32 PM:

" My research revealed that the only ones who believed that a warhead was missing were those who could not substantiate their claims; conspiracy theorists.

A false-flag attack, as suggested by the author, would not make sense with a nuclear weapon. Non-nuclear weapons would give much more credibility. For one thing, Iran has the ability to create or easily obtain a conventional weapon and as I stated earlier, it is generally accepted that Iran does not have the capability to create weapons-grade nuclear material.

It would be practically 'national suicide' for the US to start a war with our own nuclear weapon. "

girard74 wrote on Feb 5, 2008 9:26 PM:

" I do not believe that the warhead was lost. I DID perform my usual due diligence research on that particular matter prior to responding.

My reason for that belief is that to a certain extent I trust that those who are in charge understand just how volatile and dangerous those weapons are. To 'lose' one, with all of the checks and balances that are in place (I know they are as a result of my service in the Air Force), would indicate a conspiracy so incredibly vast that for it to be true would completely destroy my faith in the USA&USAF.(Continued...) "

danielh wrote on Feb 5, 2008 8:40 PM:

" girard: OK. So, I re-read your Jan 30 post, and I only found your opinion about the allegation of America being the world policeman, and Iran's status in nuclear technology development.

I didn't find anything in this thread about whether you concur with a nuclear warhead being lost or not.

People may not be commenting in here yet or not, but I need to know if you deserve any credibility or not.
"

girard74 wrote on Feb 5, 2008 7:51 PM:

" Not that too many people are paying attention to this letter anymore, but I really don't like making mistakes. I misspelled 'hyperbole' in a previous post. Sorry about that. "

girard74 wrote on Feb 5, 2008 7:21 PM:

" You should also note that since the letter's publication, I have posted a number of posts regarding the content of the letter itself.

While there are a number of opinions posted here, it would serve you well to review them prior to posting comments or questions that are unnecessarily redundant.

If you find me entertaining, then I suppose I should consider a career or at least a side-job in that field. Otherwise, totally beside the point. "

girard74 wrote on Feb 5, 2008 7:07 PM:

" No, you asked what I thought about the AUTHOR!!!! I criticized how the author wrote and the author's apparent lack of research and seriousness of purpose in writing the letter.

Your asking how I would write it would take much more than the 100-word limit I have. I certainly wasn't going to re-write the letter for the author. It is apparent to me that the author is young (immature), inexperienced and has an ego the size of Montana; not to be taken seriously. "

danielh wrote on Feb 5, 2008 6:18 PM:

" girard: I was asking because if you think part of the article was hypoberle and unsubstantiated opinion, you should make a correction. Otherwise, you are just blowing steam.

Actually in your case, you are entertainment. "

girard74 wrote on Feb 5, 2008 5:24 PM:

" I don't think much of the author at all; I thought I made that pretty clear on January 30th at 12:43pm. Not much 'fact,' but lots of hypoberle and unsubstantiated opinion; thrown in with a couple 'I think[s].' When I've written letters to newspapers, I've proof-read my offerings to make certain my points were well-researched and made sense. Gee, uh, why do you ask?!? "

danielh wrote on Feb 5, 2008 2:08 PM:

" girard: What do you think of the author up there?
If you had this topic, what would you write about it? "

danielh wrote on Feb 5, 2008 11:56 AM:

" girard: I'll do just fine without your advice. "

wtf wrote on Feb 5, 2008 9:00 AM:

" danielh here's a link that describes the situation better. Below that, is a link to the upcoming Cyber Storm 2 internet war "games" to be held here in the U.S. in early March; coincidentally about the same time France is also planning military maneuvers in the Straits of Hormuz (Feb 25 to March 5).

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7998

http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/C/CYBER_STORM?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-01-31-07-38-13


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girard74 wrote on Feb 5, 2008 8:54 AM:

" danielh - no, you didn't. Wtf explained it all for you. And if you're satisfied in taking one person's 'unbiased' point of view, then fine. Me, I'd rather have the opportunity to research the information and come to my own conclusions. "

wtf wrote on Feb 5, 2008 7:53 AM:

" danielh said, "So you are saying that the Iranian boarse could be Iran's fight to establish economic independence."

Yes, and if other countries in the Middle East followed, it could be catastrophic for America since oil is tied to what's called the petro dollar and is based on U.S. currency.

In the same vein, I saw an interview with Morgan Spurlock on his new movie, "Where in the World is Osama" - Spurlock did "Supersize Me" - he said most people in the ME resent the U.S. due to its foreign policy. What a concept...wonder where I heard that before? "

danielh wrote on Feb 4, 2008 10:35 PM:

" wtf: So you are saying that the Iranian boarse could be Iran's fight to establish economic independence. "

danielh wrote on Feb 4, 2008 10:31 PM:

" girard: Looks like I didn't need your advice. "

wtf wrote on Feb 4, 2008 6:44 PM:

" danielh The USS San Jacinto is an AEGIS cruiser in the Ticonderoga Class and was commissioned in 1988. It's an American missile ship that's set to dock at Haifa Port on Monday (today 2-4-08) and is equipped with an anti-missile defense system that could be deployed in the region in the event of an Iranian missile attack against Israel.

The Iranian oil bourse is a commodity exchange, like CBOT and will be trading oil contracts; but rather than use U.S. dollars, they plan on using Euros. Oil contracts are currently traded in the U.S. dollar.

"

girard74 wrote on Feb 4, 2008 2:47 PM:

" Oh danielh, do a little 'googling' before you post a question like that, especially to wtf. You've got the biggest and greatest encyclopedia right at your fingertips. Give it a whirl! "

danielh wrote on Feb 4, 2008 2:38 PM:

" wtf: I don't think a false flag attack is planned against Israel.

Think again. First, who would be involved in the attack?

Which country would they attack? "

danielh wrote on Feb 4, 2008 2:37 PM:

" wtf: What do you mean by "San Jacinto," and the Iranian "boarse" (boss?) ? "

danielh wrote on Feb 4, 2008 12:02 PM:

" Does anyone not understand what is a false flag attack? "

wtf wrote on Feb 4, 2008 11:07 AM:

" danielh you might be closer to the truth than you thought. The timing of this "visit" by the San Jacinto is very interesting.

Note that the Iranian bourse is set to open no later than the 11th of this month, very probably clobbering the US dollar as the instrument for purchasing oil.

Couple this with the four internet cables that have recently been cut; is it possibile that this is a prelude to a false flag attack against Israel, which would get a war against Iran truly off and running?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1202064573279&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

"

girard74 wrote on Feb 4, 2008 10:37 AM:

" Not so ironically is that Paul only has 4 delegates so far and still sits at 5%. When do the scales balance out for this guy? With all this dough and the 'massive' support out there, when will it be reflected by actual votes from actual voters?

I know, it's the media - they're to blame. It couldn't be that Paul is weak and unelectable? We'll see tomorrow (Super Tuesday) how he fares. "

wtf wrote on Feb 3, 2008 6:45 PM:

" I'm afraid you're right, tompazo. Ironically (or not), Ron Paul received the **most** donations from the military this past 4th quarter.

Ron Paul: 1160 $249k
John McCain: 438 $83k
Mike Huckabee: 126 $37k
Mitt Romney: 126 $24k
Barack Obama: 443 $76k
Hillary Clinton: 154 $41k

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/211/q4-fec-reports-ron-paul-receives-more-military-donations-than-all-other-republicans-combined

He also seemed to be pretty popular at the Superbowl.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/02/02/ron-paul-is-popular-at-the-super-bowl/ "

tompazo wrote on Feb 3, 2008 2:01 PM:

" Im pretty sure if McCain, Romney, or Clinton get elected war with Iran is going to happen.
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Taxpayer & Citizen wrote on Feb 2, 2008 9:00 AM:

" I hope duhhh...bya doesn't use that rusty toaster buried in the desert WMD ploy to take us to war in Iran again. Doesn't Iran actually have airplanes they could deliver that WMD with, rather than carrier pigeons that Iraq was going to use? Bad duhhh...bya! "

wtf wrote on Feb 2, 2008 4:03 AM:

" This is a report from 2007 showing a trend that's continued from 2006.

http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.com/2007/narrative_overview_intro.asp?media=1
"

wtf wrote on Feb 2, 2008 4:02 AM:

" Well it seems that there are two takes on this situation: You have those who aren't satisfied with "infotainment" the new term for what used to be the news and investigative reporting. Then there are those who suck up the pap that's regurgitated from the boob tube; hmmmm wonder just *why* it's called a "boob" tube.

And it seems that those of us who dislike the garbage on the tube aren't alone. The average audience of the three main cable news channels is declining and turning to the internet. People don't like being lied to. "

SportsGuru wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:38 PM:

" I think Daniel needs to lay down the crack pipe before writing another letter to the editor. the LNS back room is probably still laughing about publishing this one.

Personally, I think Jimmy Hoffa bribed some soldiers who were guarding the nukes with money given to him by DB Cooper, and he's running around with Elvis, Jim Morrison, and apparently a nuke. "

wtf wrote on Feb 1, 2008 7:07 PM:

" Over the past 5-6 years the Bushites have raised their colorful Threat Level to orange numerous times over things as weak as a broken shoelace... YET when these FOUR cables are cut isolating much of the Middle East and South Asia... we haven't heard word one about raising the threat levels...this rates hmmmmm in my book. Given the questions surrounding 9-11 and the revelation that Iraq was invaded on a pack of lies, I wouldn't put *anything* past this administration. "

wtf wrote on Feb 1, 2008 6:56 PM:

" nylodian - Yes, it is scary especially when it has been confirmed that four cables were cut and the Superbowl is this Sunday.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/01/africa/ME-GEN-Mideast-Internet-Outages.php

This, in conjunction with the upcoming cyber "wargames" in March, makes me wonder what the neocons are up to.

girard74 - Sorry about that, wasn't making any accusations, just an observation. If I was wrong; I stand corrected.

"

danielh wrote on Feb 1, 2008 6:51 PM:

" nylodian: You're welcome. That was a good question, and I might have been wrong, and carefully labeled it as a guess.

I would expect that different isotopes of fissionable material decay into specific isotopes.

This type of information would distinguish between a uranium bomb, and a plutonium bomb.

I've got to say this: a neutron bomb could be identified definitively by the background radiation signature and extent of damage.

However, the maker of a bomb can only be identified before it detonates.
"

danielh wrote on Feb 1, 2008 6:46 PM:

" girard: Sometimes people's minds go somewhere as a result of the thought that is in the subject of the column.
"

Boomer wrote on Feb 1, 2008 5:42 PM:

" wtf and daniel: CBS news reported tonight that the Dept.s of Defense, Home Land Security, and State have recently seen a signifcant increase in occurances of foreign hacking of our security systems. The report made no mention of the recent cable problems. Maybe we did cut the cables. Maybe we had a good reason. "

girard74 wrote on Feb 1, 2008 4:31 PM:

" For anyone who enjoys making veiled accusations, I have but one identity on the LNS websites - girard74. I sign my true full name on all letters to the editor. Unlike others, I don't lie and I certainly don't pretend to be something or someone that I am not.

I believe it is beyond time for the 'subject' of the letter to be the reason we respond. "

nylodian wrote on Feb 1, 2008 2:40 PM:

" Daniel: thanks for answering my question on the nuclear signatures. "

nylodian wrote on Feb 1, 2008 2:39 PM:

" wtf: thanks for posting those links. The implication of those cables is scary. The links on Romney too - I agree about the conflict of interest. "

danielh wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:00 PM:

" wtf: Unless those cables are located together, it was no accident. "

danielh wrote on Feb 1, 2008 11:57 AM:

" wtf: Interesting: cutting-off communications prevents the truth from getting out of a war zone. "

danielh wrote on Feb 1, 2008 11:56 AM:

" nylodian: After a nuclear detonation, they could only analyze the residual radiation.

The signature material is spread over a 10 mile radius and dissipated into the upper atmosphere.

I'm guessing, but I doubt they could get any useful information about the type of warhead, after it detonates. "

wtf wrote on Feb 1, 2008 11:08 AM:

" MUCH OF THE MIDDLE EAST IS INTERNET FREE This has caused many problems to merchants and to areas of education… needless to say, the Blogsphere…Why do I suspect something ‘fishy’…. Israel has not been affected at all.

And this post was to his blog:

Third cable break today. I work with Submarine Cable Systems, and generally they are so reliable that you can go years without seeing a single break. Now three in the same area - in three days? Sabotage, beyond all doubt.

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/02/01/much-of-the-middle-east-is-internet-free/

"

wtf wrote on Feb 1, 2008 11:06 AM:

" There is now possibly a fourth cable cut. The following post is from DesertPeace, who is originally from the United States. He has been living in Jerusalem, Israel for 23 years and have dedicated all of those years trying to create an atmosphere that will lead to a just and permanent peace in that area because he believes Israelis and Palestinians have more in common than what outsiders might see.

"

wtf wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:29 AM:

" Another reason why I'm going for the *only* guy in the prez race who has 0 in the "debt" column for the end of last quarter. This man "walks his talk" and "puts his (or rather **our**) money where his mouth is.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp
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wtf wrote on Feb 1, 2008 10:26 AM:

" There's also the economy which is covered on the front page of the LNS. Here's another report:

Nervous employers cut 17,000 jobs in January - the first such reduction in more than four years and a fresh sign that the economy is in danger of stalling...The unemployment rate had shot up in December to 5 percent, from 4.7 percent in November. The magnitude of that increase - something not seen since right after the September 2001 terror attacks - sent off alarm bells.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080201/economy.html

"

wtf wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:35 AM:

" The biggest problem the Bush administration faced during Iraq were images coming over the internet that showed the horrors being visited on the Iraqi people, and exposed the government's lies about Saddam. With the third cable cut, there is *no* internet connectivity to Iran - Bush's new target. Wonder what we're not supposed to see. Always ask: Cui bono? Who benefits?

http://www.internettrafficreport.com/asia.htm
"

wtf wrote on Feb 1, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Looks like Bushco might be getting ready for something. A *third* undersea internet cable has been cut; methinks these are no accidents.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/01/internet.outage/?iref=hpmostpop


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nylodian wrote on Feb 1, 2008 5:42 AM:

" Is true that if the missing warhead went off, it could be traced back to the US because each nuke has a "signature" of where it's made? "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 10:26 PM:

" All: The www.tomflocco.com website contained one of the earliest references to Sibel Edmonds several months ago. "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 10:21 PM:

" All: It gets worse in this article:

http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/CiaAsset.htm

"CIA asset tied to bin Laden infiltrated FBI before 9/11"

I hope noone finds any of their friends in this reference. "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 10:18 PM:

" All (continued): Apparently, “the Bush administration’s assurance about finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was based on a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) plan to 'plant' WMDs inside the country.” "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 10:17 PM:

" All: Here's a good references that I've been sitting on:

http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/GossRefusesToGive.htm

It details a plan involving Wolfowitz, and the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad to secretly plant a WMD inside Iraq. The operation was kept a secret so that American military personnel would be "surprised" when they "discover" a WMD.

The plan was interdicted in Turkey by Valerie Plame, who uncovered a relationship with her own government.


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danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 9:44 PM:

" voter: I appreciate the endorsement. I think publication is the only weapon that we have to fight this. "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 9:42 PM:

" wtf: OK. Funny. I enjoyed those links. One of the articles said they were practicing war games. Two others said the internet communications cables really were knocked out. They said a ship might have dragged anchor across the cable. I don't think so!

They hinted that the war game accidently knocked out a computer that was orchestrating the drill. "

wtf wrote on Jan 31, 2008 3:51 PM:

" danielh just checked out that ken-welch site and agree with you; it looks more than a bit sketchy. I'm always leery of sites that don't post any references (which is why I always try to provide links.) I like to try to find several sources that are reputable but aren't part of the controlled media. And it's always nice when the source is the horse's mouth. ;) "

wtf wrote on Jan 31, 2008 3:44 PM:

" Think I've found out why Romney kept smirking last night at the debates.

FCC approves Clear Channel buyout
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/1034108/

Romney is involved with Bain Capital:

From 1978 to 1984, Mr. Romney was a VP at Bain & Company, Inc., a leading management consulting firm. In 1984, Romney founded Bain Capital, one of the nation's most successful venture capital and investment companies.

http://www.mittromney.com/Learn-About-Mitt/Mittxs_Biography

And here's a bit about the media monopolizer, Clear Channel:

Clear Channel: the Media Mammoth that Stole the Airwaves
http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/articles/02/1125148.html

Guess you can smirk to your heart's content if you own all of the media; yet this seems like a conflict of interest to me. "

voter wrote on Jan 31, 2008 3:39 PM:

" Daniel, I think you may be on to something frighteningly suspicious at the very least. I read an article by Sibel Edmonds last week--it was referenced by a reputable source, and frankly, it scares the hell out of me, even if only partially true. I am not prone to conspiracy theories, and do not always agree with your ideas, but this merits further investigation. Will do some digging on my own. "

wtf wrote on Jan 31, 2008 3:38 PM:

" An observation: Seems when "citizen" disappeared on the other blog, girard74 took his place. Now seems like girard74 is gone (maybe) and "citizen" is back, picking up his heckling where he left off on the other blog. "

wtf wrote on Jan 31, 2008 3:36 PM:

" danielh there are a lot more people who think 9-11 was an inside job; more than you can imagine. Especially if they look into PNAC (Project for a New American Century) and Operation Northwoods. On a side note, it seems that the invasion of Iraq had been discussed since 1998 and that 9-11 was a good excuse to invade that country even though Hussein, a former ally, had nothing to do with 9-11. "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 2:37 PM:

" citizen: My original comparison with Adolf Hitler was his false flag attack on his own Reich Building, which he blamed on Russian terrorists.

Yes, Adolf Hitler attacked his own self to justify greater security measures.

Noone believes me yet that 9/11 was an inside job, and again, we compare to Hitler on that one. America established Homeland Security to combat terrorism, following a spectacular attack, which I claim was American. "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 2:34 PM:

" citizen: In America, we have Dept of Homeland Security whose ability to spy on the private citizens is better than SS's. Although Homeland Security does not torture and kill people...uh-oh... They ship prisoners to foreign locations for torture, and in Guantanamo Bay.

Both and Germany and in America, they justified the use of torture to combat terrorism.

In the case of actually killing people, in America, they don't need to do it. The SS killed people for political objectives, which are not necessary in order for the Bush Administration to achieve their objectives. "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 2:29 PM:

" citizen: I appreciate the question.

I am being realistic and I am living in the present day. I am objectively observing the characteristics of America's government and comparing them to past history.

If we compare the characteristics of Nazi Germany to present-day America, there is a resemblence. Whereas Germany had the SS, they promoted their citizens to spy on their own family members, and they killed prosecuted their own citizens who opposed Hitler, the resemblance is not very different from America.

continued... "

citizen wrote on Jan 31, 2008 1:50 PM:

" Daniel are you really going to use the "nazi" card. Cmon get with us in the present day. This is America not Nazi Germany. Do you really beleive that "dictator for life" reference? cmon. "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 1:01 PM:

" wtf: During WW-II, didn't the Supreme Ct. suspend elections for president?

Do you see why I asked that? "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 12:02 PM:

" wtf: I'll have to wait until pretty late tonight to look at these. "

wtf wrote on Jan 31, 2008 11:53 AM:

" danielh came across these articles today and it gave me the thought that, maybe, it won't be missing nukes in a false flag.

Trains, Bloggers Are Threats in Drill
http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory.asp?cat=TopStories&referrer=welcome&id=20080131/47a155d0_3ca6_1552620080131-1504603298

Faulty cable causes web blackout in Middle East
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml;jsessionid=4V4BZZYWIQYG3QFIQMFSFGGAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/connected/2008/01/31/dlblackout131.xml

2 Communication Cables in the Mediterranean Are Cut
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/business/worldbusiness/31cable.html?_r=1&ref=business&oref=slogin

With some new "games" coming up in March; pardon my cynicism but I can't help but remember the "games" that were going on 9/11 and 7/7. This might give Jr. the chance to declare martial law and become dictator for life - which he's hinted at numerous times - all the worry over current elections would be moot.
"

nylodian wrote on Jan 31, 2008 11:19 AM:

" wtf: Whoops - I got it now, thanks. (I'm a goofy girl sometimes.) Wow - that interview sure reinforced my low opinion of Romney! "

wtf wrote on Jan 31, 2008 10:45 AM:

" nylodian: Yes, that's the correct link to YouTube video about Romney; but when you copy and paste the address, don't include the final quotation mark at the end ("). "

wtf wrote on Jan 31, 2008 10:42 AM:

" danielh wrote "One thing that gives me the creeps is "nuclear security protocol stood down." I have seen armed marines standing watch over nuclear material. They are armed, and they are willing shoot anyone that violates their area of responsibility. Military security does not abandon post until a proper relief takes the watch."

As a former Marine, I can tell you you are correct and the order is "Shoot to kill." "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 9:24 AM:

" nylodian: Thanks. One comment. On a nuclear topic, there are all sorts of websites out there. "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 9:23 AM:

" citizen: Somebody has to report this. I'm willing to take the heat from all the people that think this is crazy.

One thing is for certain: The American people have not been notified that this incident ocurred.

I hope this is wrong, and by publication, I hope the facts can be investigated. "

nylodian wrote on Jan 31, 2008 8:41 AM:

" wtf: Couldn't access the Romney video after a couple of attempts. Is that the correct link? Thanks. "

nylodian wrote on Jan 31, 2008 8:37 AM:

" wtf: I agree with you about the MSM. Unfortunately, too many voters out there don't take the time to get informed for themselves. "

nylodian wrote on Jan 31, 2008 8:31 AM:

" Daniel: You and I may often disagree, but I admit I'd like to read up on this. With W's unjustified war in Iraq, I wouldn't be suprised if he designed another invasion on Iran while Bin Laden is still out there... "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 8:13 AM:

" citizen: Your response is probably identical to the people of Nazi Germany before WW-II. People banded around Hitler mostly without question. "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 8:11 AM:

" One thing that gives me the creeps is "nuclear security protocol stood down." I have seen armed marines standing watch over nuclear material. They are armed, and they are willing shoot anyone that violates their area of responsibility.

Military security does not abandon post until a proper relief takes the watch.

I cannot imagine a military service member who is at one moment, standing watch over a nuclear warhead, ready to shoot anyone that violates their guarded area, and at the next moment being ordered to abandon the nuclear warheads, knowing they are real.

There must've been an arguement. "

citizen wrote on Jan 31, 2008 8:06 AM:

" Wow since when did the LNS start printing letters from crazy people. This letter is so out there that I think Daniel just wrote it to try to get as many responses as he could. Is there anyone out there besides wtf that could possibly beleive this. "

danielh wrote on Jan 31, 2008 8:02 AM:

" Ivan Dixon (Kinchee): When ammunition or bombs are returned to the armory, there is an accounting system. If anyone does a false flag attack, they have to show that they didn't lose a bomb out of the arsenal.

The manufacture of any bomb is no minor task. An extensive paper trail is generated. By nature of the bomb, I am sure there would be a lot of quality assurance and accountability for the fissionable material. "

Ivan Dixon wrote on Jan 31, 2008 6:43 AM:

" If the government wanted to fake an attack, why wouldn't they just build a new bomb? "

girard74 wrote on Jan 31, 2008 12:41 AM:

" I hope too many people don't believe that our nation would be any safer with the Clintons back in the White House. There would be no need for conspiracy theories - the reality would be frightening enough. "

danielh wrote on Jan 30, 2008 11:20 PM:

" wtf: I'm supporting Sibel Edmonds.

I do not endorse www.ken-welch.com:

1) does not post its home address;
2) claims its info is revealed in voice recordings played backwards. Otherwise has no footnotes;
3) and if you can believe this, through roommate revenge issues, was involved on the law side of making allegations against the McMartin Preschool sexual abuse case, in Manhattan Beach, CA, in the mid-1980's.

When I found Ken-welch.com, I spent several days trying to authenticate their information, and I never found a good trail.
"

wtf wrote on Jan 30, 2008 8:05 PM:

" You're right, girard74, Ron Paul most likely won't win - and I mean that sincerely, I'm not giving you a hard time.

Seeing the shoddy treatment he's received from the MSM and how it's even more blatant, just shows me how low the U.S. has sunk.

That said, I am still voting for Ron Paul because of the principles he stands for; his honesty and integrity. To me, voting my conscience, is having my vote count; so my vote goes to Ron Paul.

God help us when one of the others takes office...we'll need it. "

wtf wrote on Jan 30, 2008 7:34 PM:

" And this radio interview Romney gave didn't make him look too good, either. Even the radio host, who was going to vote for Romney, changed his mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRv0bP3VQ-g "

wtf wrote on Jan 30, 2008 6:46 PM:

" I know that McCain and Romney are the favored ones by the MSM. Looking at MSNBC for the debate results, they don't even list Ron Paul; just McCain, Romney and Huckabee. Though McCain's a favored child, I saw this today which put him in a totally different light - not a good one. I hadn't realized he'd been married before and looking at the circumstances of his divorce, leaves a lot to be desired.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm "

girard74 wrote on Jan 30, 2008 6:39 PM:

" CNN undoubtedly held the most lopsided, undisciplined debate thus far. Anderson Cooper displayed a total lack of fundamental fairness and lack of control. What a waste of time. "

wtf wrote on Jan 30, 2008 6:11 PM:

" girard74 I am surprised at your most recent post; yet thank you for your objective assessment.

danielh: You said, "wtf: Yes frightening...There are a lot of stories running around the web, which do not appear to have authentic origins."

The Sibel Edmonds story, if that's what you're referencing, was from "The Times" in the UK. I cited from their online paper, "The Times Online" is similar to the "Lodi News Sentinel" we're posting on now; but the LNS also has a physical newspaper. "

girard74 wrote on Jan 30, 2008 5:57 PM:

" FYI - So far I've watched nearly an hour of the Republican debate on CNN. It has been overtly apparent that Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee have not been treated fairly. Specifically, McCain and Romney have gotten the lion's share of questions and time, leaving little for the other two. Additionally, cutting Paul off in mid-sentence was totally out of line.

Inviting Huckabee and Paul was CNN's decision. As such, that network should be held responsible for the shoddy treatment of those two candidates. "

girard74 wrote on Jan 30, 2008 4:44 PM:

" As I stated in a previous discussion, I refuse to engage with anyone who has proved to be either intellectually dishonest or morally void. No amount of baiting will cause me to debate with such people. "

wtf wrote on Jan 30, 2008 4:19 PM:

" Hey girard74! Look what I found just for you....a speech by your favorite person - RON PAUL - on nookular weapons and the Eye-ranians.

http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2006/cr040506.htm

I'm breathlessly waiting for your next half-baked rant. LOL! "

danielh wrote on Jan 30, 2008 4:17 PM:

" wtf: Yes frightening. I'm going out for the evening. There are a lot of stories running around the web, which do not appear to have authentic origins. "

danielh wrote on Jan 30, 2008 4:11 PM:

" wtf: I think Sibel Edmonds is telling the truth.

Compound her story upon the fact that we no longer have Valerie Plame. There are a lot of stories going around the web, but unfortunately, we don't have Valerie Plame to represent the CIA, anymore, and I don't feel secure in knowing that nuclear proliferation is being countered.

Plame and others were penetrated into Pakistan's physicist A.Q. Khan. Although he developed the bomb for Pakistan, at least the CIA had him so compromised that we knew what was going on.

"

wtf wrote on Jan 30, 2008 3:44 PM:

" Quite frightening; particularly when you look at some of the people who have access to pushing the button. Then there are the allegations of Sibel Edmonds, which, if true, are really troubling.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece%20

Given what she describes, I'm almost inclined to believe what she says since it's reminiscent of the "October Surprise" and Iran-Contra scandal. Not only that, it's the same players - no surprise.

"

girard74 wrote on Jan 30, 2008 3:36 PM:

" Hutchins writes - 'The Bush Administration is campaigning that Iran is nuclear, . . .' Not true. The contention has been that Tehran was working their way to having the ability to create nuclear weapons.

While many believe that they should be permitted to do so, but with having a madman as leader of Iran, we certainly cannot permit that to happen. 'World's Policeman?' No - simply protecting our lives and our way of life. "

wtf wrote on Jan 30, 2008 3:35 PM:

" danielh I didn't know that about Nagasaki and Hiroshima. My concern is that so many countries have nuclear weapons today and quite a few of them think they have the option of starting WWIII with a nuclear pre-emptive attack. Then you read how the U.S. "might have" lost a nuke. "

girard74 wrote on Jan 30, 2008 3:20 PM:

" As for the title of this letter, 'Bush Wants War With Iran,' nothing in the letter supports such a contention; at least not with proof. George Bush's legacy will be simple - he kept us safe.

During the eight years prior to his administration we were attacked on numerous occasions by terrorists. Those cowards must have marveled at how easy it was to get away with killing Americans. So they kept killing.

They thought they would get away with 9/11. Thankfully at that time we had a leader who turned the war on terror around - and we have been safe. "

girard74 wrote on Jan 30, 2008 2:45 PM:

" If the supposition by the author is to be taken at face value, how could Iran possibly be accused of delivering a nuclear device against anyone? Based upon intelligence reports wasn't it generally accepted that Iran ceased their nuclear program in 2003? They had no ability to create such a bomb.

How in the world could the US government pull off such a stunt?

Again, the only concern about the phantom missing nuke rests in the minds of the conspiracy nuts; certainly not to be taken seriously. "

girard74 wrote on Jan 30, 2008 2:11 PM:

" I will endeavor to hold to the News-Sentinel's rule to keep my comments related to the story. However, as long as the LNS continues to allow some to continue to use this forum as their own sophomoric chat-room, there's not much I can do about that.

However, as I stated in a previous discussion, I refuse to engage with anyone who has proved to be either intellectually dishonest or morally void. No amount of baiting will cause me to debate with such people. "

danielh wrote on Jan 30, 2008 2:05 PM:

" wtf: Did you know that the Nagasaki warhead was armed on the ground, whereas the Hiroshima warhead was armed in flight. In the case of the Nagasaki warhead, yes it would have detonated if the aircraft were to crash on take-off. "

danielh wrote on Jan 30, 2008 2:03 PM:

" girard: If a warhead detonates, how do you propose someone examines ground zero to determine who did it?

Haven't you ever heard of a false flag attack before? Don't you know that Adolf Hitler did one?
"

wtf wrote on Jan 30, 2008 1:26 PM:

" I was wondering when you'd show up. "

girard74 wrote on Jan 30, 2008 12:47 PM:

" Further, to suggest that the U.S. would use a nuclear device 'pretending' it to belong to another nation, is ridiculous in its conception.

It would take very little investigation to determine who the device actually belonged to. "

girard74 wrote on Jan 30, 2008 12:43 PM:

" 'The author wrote: If it is true that six warheads were mounted onto the aircraft, and I "think" it is true, . . .' and

'In the Strait of Hormuz, we are told that the fast-attack speed boats were Iranian. I "think" they were American.'

Lots of 'thinking' with little or no facts or proof. It is so apparent that there are a few (thankfully) Americans who really believe that our government is the sole member of the axis of evil.

Transporting nukes in the way they were is very serious. It certainly doesn't rise to the level suggested by the conspiracy theorists. "

danielh wrote on Jan 30, 2008 11:48 AM:

" Cogito: I wasn't there. It doesn't matter where I got the information, and I don't know how many people. You might start with Google, and you'll get an introduction and some controversy.

Good question about a network of people being involved, communicating, and possibly having their communications intercepted. "

danielh wrote on Jan 30, 2008 11:25 AM:

" wtf: Yup. We agree. Also, this article gets my adrenaline going every time I read it. I think this is a serious problem. "

wtf wrote on Jan 30, 2008 11:10 AM:

" danielh - read up a bit and saw that there are precautions against accidental detonation in the event of a plane crash; so I stand corrected. It appears that if there was a crash, the crash would ignite the high explosives associated with the warhead, and possibly cause a leak of plutonium, but the warhead's elaborate safeguards would prevent a nuclear detonation from occurring.

Regarding what I said on transporting the weapons: Usually these devices are transported *in* cargo planes; not attached to external pylons. I think we're both saying basically the same thing. "

danielh wrote on Jan 30, 2008 10:26 AM:

" wtf: These will not detonate if the aircraft crashes. "

steve wrote on Jan 30, 2008 9:28 AM:

" Daniel, sounds like you need to get back on your meds. "

danielh wrote on Jan 30, 2008 9:22 AM:

" wtf: If the objective were to "transport" the warheads, they did not have to be armed, and they could have been stowed as cargo.

Instead, the warheads were "ready to rip." "

wtf wrote on Jan 30, 2008 8:54 AM:

" I read something about this, Daniel; but what I read said it allegedly went to Cheney, not Bush. I would be more concerned with the "live" nuclear warheads that were transported, by air, from North Dakota to Louisiana. I'd have to find it; but to the best of my knowledge, there is a law prohibiting transportation of live warheads by air because if there were a plane crash, we'd have a major catastrophe here in the U.S. "

Cogito wrote on Jan 30, 2008 8:22 AM:

" Daniel I have a few questions. If the Bush administration is killing people to keep them quiet, where did YOU get the information? How many other people would have to be involved in a plot this deep that are staying mum about it? If I were privy to information such as this, it would be my best kept secret. I surely wouldn't be publishing it. "

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