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America needs more morals


Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:47 AM PST

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In response to the Jan. 7 letter in the News-Sentinel from Arne Aasen, I would agree that there are those among Republicans who would do away with Social Security, Medicare and health care for children, while at the same time relying on taxpayer support for their own inflated salaries, retirement and health care for themselves and their families.

They are the biggest welfare recipients in the nation and I agree with you wholeheartedly on that score.

I also agree that working class Americans, and in particular, the working poor, have always gotten the shaft while paying more than their fair share of taxes. It should be realized by anyone with half a rat's brain that Republicans have, historically, plunged this nation into economic recessions and depressions and Democrats have pulled us out — and yes, FDR was a great president. No dispute there.

However, when we talk about a woman's "right" to choose and that morals are being forced on us, I can only say you are way out of line. When it comes to snuffing out a human life before it is born, which in my opinion is tantamount to murder, I say if a woman wants to choose, she should choose not to conceive in the first place. Tell me, do you agree that if your mother wanted to, she should have had the right to abort you? I think not.

As far as morality goes, if there were more morals in this country in the first place, there would be fewer unwanted conceptions, and therein lies the problem with your stand against "forced morals," as you call it. There is not enough morality in America at this point in history, and if you can't see it, then you should take your head out of the sand and look around you. What this country needs is to get back to God. The politicians, Republican or Democrat, can't save us.

John Cooper
Stockton

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ajaho wrote on Jan 19, 2008 1:44 PM:

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nylodian wrote on Jan 18, 2008 11:49 AM:

" Metric and Audi: My golf partner had to abort one of her quadrupletes because her life, and the life of the other three were in severe jeopardy. A woman from my exercise class had to terminate her pregnancy, because of undetected heart problems. My coworker terminated an ectopic pregnancy. Please tell them AND their husbands that they are child killers and made thier choice out of "convenience". I'm sure that will help them heal from the trauma and loss they already feel. "

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Lodian wrote on Jan 18, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Audi 5000: You should be able to differentiate between a women's right to choose and gunning down your neighbor. "

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Lodian wrote on Jan 18, 2008 11:33 AM:

" Great posts, WY. "

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WY wrote on Jan 18, 2008 10:21 AM:

" In gerneral, who kills more, men or women? Who rapes more? Who runs the government???? Who runs the world? Now I sound like a feminist. lol i gotta go to work see ya :) "

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WY wrote on Jan 18, 2008 10:15 AM:

" nylodian... 5:53 post, I agree. Who runs the government? Men. There you have it. "

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WY wrote on Jan 18, 2008 10:13 AM:

" There are other moral issues to talk about other than abortion. We're never going to get anywhere talking about abortion. #5 'Thu shall not committ murder' rings in my ear. I'm assuming that goes for gunning down your neighbor for stupid stuff that might bug you. "

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WY wrote on Jan 18, 2008 10:04 AM:

" Audi50000... I'm not sure I understand your post? Do you mean , It's up to the government to lay the format for a womans life? Abortion sickens me. It's a man's world but this is a woman's choice. Easy for a man to walk away from a hard choice ,like a baby, a woman can't walk awy from this moral issue for 9 months. So teach your children well so the bar will be set high for the times they have to make heart wrenching choices. "

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Audi 5000 wrote on Jan 18, 2008 8:52 AM:

" Is it my moral choice, and not the government's business, that I have a right to gun down my neighbor because he's somehow I think he's infringing on my happiness and convenience? Any civilized government is based on moral laws. the two can not be separated or else anarchy would rule. "

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Lodian wrote on Jan 18, 2008 8:25 AM:

" WY (wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:15 PM): Excellent post. "My life, my choice, my guilt, my sin."

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nylodian wrote on Jan 18, 2008 5:56 AM:

" WY: Thank you for your posts - I agree with your morality point, but again, it's not up to the government to dictate our morals. It's up to the churches and parents. "

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nylodian wrote on Jan 18, 2008 5:54 AM:

" Metric: Is it the MOST common reason, no, but it IS common enough to make my point that not all abortion is about an unwed mother who slept around and uses abortion as birth control. Would I personally want to make that choice? NO. But if my life were at risk, it would be MY choice, not yours or the government's. "

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nylodian wrote on Jan 18, 2008 5:47 AM:

" Metric: Your own message to me, "Your defense of child killing is the most improbable scenerio." demonstrates your closed mindedness. What if your wife, your sister, or your daughter was in the situation I described? Unless it's affected you personally, and you've seen the trauma that choice had on the mother for yourself, you have no right to judge her. "

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WY wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:33 PM:

" I think we're all on the same page. nylodian... I know what you're saying, but the moral issue might be, Don't have sex with someone unless you can deliver the life that might come from the hour of fun. That one percent is a method of control not life or death. I don't care how wishy washy I may sound ... I still want my choice. "

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WY wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:15 PM:

" Metric time system...Your graphic discription is the very reason this would never be my choice. It sickens me just to think about it. Though it should still be a choice. My life, my choice, my guilt, my sin. That's where the morals come in, during that choice. If I was brutally raped... I should have a choice, if it were me or the baby, I should have a choice. MY CHOICE. All sucky choices,but a choice none the less. As for a method of control... NO! Never. "

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trista wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:36 PM:

" "No one has the right to stop a beating heart"......I love that.
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trista wrote on Jan 17, 2008 8:35 PM:

" People spend so much time arguing about abortion issues and fighting for the rights of unborn babies, nobody has time to care or think about all the children being abused or neglected. They made it here, maybe because their abused or strung out mother was too busy smoking crack when abortion was possible and now their crack addicted baby is being raised in a house full of drugs and violence. We do a lot of talking about the gangs on our streets but none of which is about giving them an opportunity or a chance to make a better decision. Did you know possesion of a drug is a felony while child molestation and 'cruelty to child by endangering health' are misdemeanors? So is battery and inflicting major injury on a spouse. How backwards is that? So maybe we should try making the world a better place for those already here, then atleast we'd have something better to show and teach the ones we're fighting to bring into it. "

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Metric Time System wrote on Jan 17, 2008 3:28 PM:

" ny: Is your fabrication of my personal judgement of people to satisfy some sort of unresolved anger you obviously are harboring to make such a false accusation of me? You seemed to have a less than civil reaction to what I posted. I've only addressed the absolute abomination that is abortion, not the condemnation of those who perform and receive them. No one has a right to stop a beating heart. "

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nylodian wrote on Jan 17, 2008 12:48 PM:

" Metric: It's more common than you think but because of close-minded people like you judging these women, there is a stigma attached so they keep silent about it. As far as laying down your life for your child, how can a baby be brought to term if the mother is DEAD? "

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Galtmom wrote on Jan 17, 2008 12:39 PM:

" You go, John Cooper!! No one could of said it better. I agree 100000000% "

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girard74 wrote on Jan 17, 2008 11:29 AM:

" To nylodian - God does not differentiate the degree of a sin - what we would consider the least or the worst is not an issue to Him - each sin is calculated to have the same "weight." Suicide, in some religions, is considered the "unforgiveable" sin, not because of its severity, but because it is the one and only sin that the sinner cannot call upon God to forgive. As such, some believe that the taking of one's own life condemns that person because of the inability to reconcile with God prior to death.

Certainly for those of us here on earth, there are many crimes worthy of condemnation by God - how He decides in a Heavenly fashion, fortunately, is not left up to us. "

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Metric Time System wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:39 AM:

" I certainly agree that current culture attempts to "poison" our children's minds and hearts, and furthermore, adults as well. The role of the parent perhaps has never been more important than today as everyone from the government to Hollywood feels they know better how to raise our children. It's a shame that children cry from hunger, just as it's a crime the babies silently cry as an Abortionist collapses it's tiny skull as its brains are sucked out through a catheter, stopping his or hers heart and ending its life. God knew them in the womb, God knitted them together, God is the giver and sustainer of life. I am never going to put myself in the position of questioning an almighty God. "

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WY wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:22 AM:

" 12x...For sure! I agree. "

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WY wrote on Jan 17, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Metric Time system...For the most part a woman should decide what is right and wrong for her. Not a man. A man got her there. (well ... It takes two.) It doesn't matter what scenario it is. And, there are many in todays world that won't die for their kids. For one thing, the children are God's kids and we do them wrong in todays world. WE won't even give a quarter for God's children in countries where they starve. We'd rather buy a SUV and the gas that goes in it. Or charge new 400.00 boots. So focusing on abortion is mute when there are live children that cry at night with hungry bellies in the cold. I wan't my choice. Abortion isn't my choice , but never the less, I still want my choice. How can we ever get morals back when Hollywood says for us to watch this and that. Yo're not "poo" unless you have linsey lohand sunglasses for 1000.00 What a crappy group of roll models. We let our children look at terror in the movies and in games and on TV. This is their world/ future. Now that we have made this place for them, we have to teach them how to survive in it. So the trick is how do we raise a child to survive in this icky world and be rightious and peace loving with all this negitive input. The speed in which life goes... way to fast! I have been asking this for some time now... Do I raise them lovers or fighters? What should I do? Do I show them how to shoot a gun and get them a black belt? or Choir and ballet...? "

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12x wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:46 AM:

" Morals are the fiber which knit a peaceful society together. "

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Metric Time System wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:43 AM:

" nylodian: how many abortions are due to some "unforeseen" health issue? What parent wouldn't lay down their life for the life of their child? Your defense of child killing is the most improbable scenario. "

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nylodian wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:24 AM:

" What about a woman with an unforseen health issue and the pregnancy will be fatal for her? What is her choice? Isn't SUICIDE the worst sin against God? "

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nylodian wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:20 AM:

" You want more morals? Then it's up to the churches, and PARENTS to instill them in their children in the first place. Lead by example and without mixed messages. Some parent say one thing and then watch shows like Desperate Housewives or allow kids to watch or listen to whatever they want. "

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nylodian wrote on Jan 17, 2008 7:16 AM:

" John: We don't live in a Theocracy. If a woman chooses abortion it is up to GOD, not the government to judge her. Abortion is a complicated issue. There are many women who didn't "choose" to conceive in the first place, but most birth control methods are only 99% effective. "

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