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Kenneth Warren talks Monday afternoon about the theft of his gun collection on New Year's Day. About 50 guns and approximately 2,000 rounds of ammunition were hauled off from the North Cherokee Lane U-Haul in Lodi. (Jennifer M. Howell/News-Sentinel)

50 guns, 2,000 rounds stolen

Thieves target U-Haul storage unit in Lodi

By Layla Bohm
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Tuesday, January 8, 2008 6:20 AM PST

When Kenneth Warren moved to San Joaquin County to take care of his elderly parents, he wanted to make sure his gun collection was safe.

He kept about 50 guns and as much as 2,000 rounds of ammunition in a double-walled, fireproof safe that, when empty, weighed 1,300 pounds. He moved it into a climate-controlled metal and concrete storage unit at U-Haul in Lodi. And he even got a second-floor storage unit for added security.

But on Dec. 31, thieves managed to get into the gated 450 N. Cherokee Lane storage business. They made it past a locked door, up the stairs, down a hallway and around a corner. And then they broke the lock and managed to drag the full safe back out the way they came.

"I had it in the biggest, most secure safe the company makes," Warren said Monday at the door of his now-empty storage unit. "I thought I had done everything short of putting them in Fort Knox."

Now, about 50 guns are somewhere on the streets. A few are antique rifles from his grandfathers, and some are .45-caliber handguns in mint condition. It's a collection of about half rifles and half handguns, and Warren knows personally that nearly all of them are more than capable of firing accurately.

Hundreds of rounds of ammunition — some of which is no longer made because it has been outlawed because it can penetrate body armor — is also on the loose. As if that's not enough, various knives were also in the safe.


Kenneth Warren holds a picture similar to of one of his stolen guns on Monday afternoon. (Jennifer M. Howell/News-Sentinel)

The collection, which Warren had spent his life building as an investment for retirement, is valued at more than $70,000. He didn't have insurance because he'd spent thousands of dollars to protect the collection and thought it was secure.

The theft sickens Warren because he lost a lifetime of collecting, but he's even more concerned that his guns might wind up in the hands of criminals who could use them for harm.

Warren is still going through his records — each gun was obtained legally and was registered to him — and Lodi police are still logging each gun as "stolen" in a nationwide system that tracks firearms.

Police are still investigating and are hoping a hand print could help the case. But, there was no video surveillance, and so far they have not identified any suspects, said Officer Dale Eubanks, who tracked down and interviewed every person who entered a key-coded gate at the storage center.

Warren, who spent years in the Navy before going into construction, never married or had children, so he spent his spare money on his gun collection.

"As a single guy, I could either drink and gamble or I could buy stuff," he said.


Kenneth Warren points to a list of stolen ammunition on Monday afternoon. (Jennifer M. Howell/News-Sentinel)

It started with a few antiques passed down from Warren's grandfathers and a great-grandfather, including guns and some pocket watches.

Over the years, Warren added to the collection. Many of the guns were limited editions, with gold plating and fine detail. Some were pictured in gun collector magazines touting that only a handful had ever been made.

When Warren lived in the Grass Valley area 15 years ago, he kept the whole collection in a safe in his home. He'd show the collection to a few trusted buddies, always making sure to lock the safe.

Then he moved to Stockton and searched for the most secure storage unit.

Warren had to get a crane to move the safe, which weighed roughly 1,800 pounds when full.

For the past 10 years, Warren said, he has paid his storage rent on time each month in cash. He prefers to use cash because he never got into credit cards and computers.

Now he wonders if the cash payments drew unwanted attention, along with his gold bracelets, necklace, rings and large belt buckle. He's a wiry man with sideburns and a goatee, and he walks quickly in his polished black boots.

Neither he nor police doubt that Warren's storage unit was targeted. It's not easy to find and is only another numbered orange door.

And there's the fact that the heist was carried out in broad daylight: At 1:29 p.m. that New Year's Eve Monday, the thieves apparently had a bit of trouble getting out of the storage center's rolling locked gate.


Lodi Police Investigator Nick Rafiq, left, listens to Kenneth Warren as they talk Monday afternoon about the theft of Warren's gun collection. (Jennifer M. Howell/News-Sentinel)

The culprits tried in vain to use Warren's storage unit number as a code on the keypad. That attempt was recorded on U-Haul's computer system, and police think another car must have opened the gate and ultimately allowed the crooks to escape.

The thieves left burgundy scrape marks along the concrete floor leading from Warren's storage unit, and Eubanks said they apparently used dumbbells to move it to a freight elevator.

From there, it was just a few short feet out a rear door to a waiting vehicle. A coffee table and blanket were also missing, which Eubanks thinks may have been used to hide the safe from public view.

The theft devastated Warren, who said he feels like a car accident victim.

He discovered the loss the next day, when he went to do a detailed inventory and take photos for a gun enthusiast in Chicago. The man was interested in buying much of Warren's collection, and the base negotiation price had started at $70,000.

Warren, who probably knows more about guns than many officers, wants to see the collection recovered, even if it is damaged. He knows the monetary value of the weapons, but he also knows the damage they can do.

On the off chance that someone does return the guns, Warren vows to reward them.

"I don't have any cash to offer anybody, but if I get them back, I'll come up with something," he said.

Anyone with information on the weapons is asked to contact Lodi police at 333-6727. Anonymous callers, who may be eligible for a cash reward, may contact Lodi-Area Crime Stoppers at 333-6771.

Contact reporter Layla Bohm at layla@lodinews.com.

Reader Feedback

DeltaPenguin wrote on Jan 12, 2008 2:46 AM:

" danielh:
I am a lifetime Lodi resident. I would like to consider myself a traveler, but work just does not seem conducive to that desire. I have commented on these boards on numerous occasions. I just choose not saturate them. This is a topic of particular interest to me and one that I have quite a bit of knowledge in.

My questioning of where you saw the footage was not one of your bias, but rather where the video came from. An officer would never compromise the integrity of a new vest, or their own vest for a demonstration of this type. There are far too expensive and, with each hit a vest takes, the integrity level of the vest diminishes. Being the video was from 1983, I would not hesitate to offer the assumption that is was created as propaganda to convince a gullible public that these rounds were more deadly than the the others (need to get that legislation passed).

Teflon coated bullets are real, but their destructive power against a bullet-resistant vest is a hoax. "

danielh wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:08 PM:

" DeltaPenguin: OK. I'm glad you questioned me for potential bias in the testing that was conducted to demonstrate the capability of the bullets. The nature of these questions speaks loudly for your own integrity and intelligence. I noticed that a few days ago.

You're a traveller, just passing through Lodi, right? I know one thing for sure, you just entered these comments.

The test was demonstrated by the City of Rochester (NY*) PD, on a local news broadcast, around 1983. The police officer used one of his own vests.

Today, if I saw the test again, I would expect the officer to fire his own .38 or 9mm into the vest to demonstrate that it was, indeed, a legitimate vest. Since this was 25 years ago, I can only speculate if he did that or not.

Still, television viewers had no knowledge of the amount of powder behind the "cop killer" bullet.

* No. I am not from NY. "

waytocool wrote on Jan 11, 2008 7:52 PM:

" Are you serious. In the middle of the day and the workers didn’t see a thing. Can you say “In side job” .I was in u-haul not to long ago getting a hitch and all the employees look like they all just got out of jail them selves. I hope Lodi PD are really checking into the u-haul crew. I have a storage down the road from them and they have cameras everywhere. They even caught my dog going to the bathroom on the property and when I asked them to prove it was my dog, they asked if I wanted to see it on there video footage. That’s when I knew my stuff was safe. I thought the girls in the office at my storage were nosey and after this u-haul thing, I am grateful. I might even stop letting my dog use the property as a bathroom. "

WY wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:11 AM:

" Aww... the "Pinhead Posters" still think it's a tarded move to leave weapons in a storage unit. Both parties are negligent. 50 GUNS! I'm a mom, not a kitty scratch'n cat nip. This wasn't the best way to manage this "Collection". See what happened! Is this a resopnsible gun owner?!? What ever. There's a lot of guns out wondering around. "

DeltaPenguin wrote on Jan 11, 2008 2:26 AM:

" danielh:
There will always be variables which allow even a basic bullet to penetrate a vest, however unlikely...but they do exist.

If you could, please let me know where you saw this. I would love to know the exact manner in which the test was conducted, the age of the vest, the weapon it was fired from, whether it was hollow-point, or full-metal jacketed, etc.

With the FBI, BATFE, Secret Service and National Institute of Justice conducting exhaustive testing and researching of these "cop killer" bullets, they have easily and with extreme confidence, debunked the myth of these bullets. I am highly suspicious of one bullet being fired and it disproving years and years of testing that involved tens of thousands of rounds.

To date, there has not been a single vest failure, or officer death as a result of an on-duty, officer involved shooting by a "cop killer" bullet. "

dogbark wrote on Jan 10, 2008 10:21 PM:

" Several years ago while we were at my father's funeral in Modesto, someone broke into his house and stole his guns out of his gun cabinet. When the MPD found out what the guns were (collectibles) they said we'd never see them again as collectors would glom onto them. I wrote NRA suggesting they (as a well regulated miltia) start a data base for stolen guns. That way a person could cross check charlie the collectors latst acquistion and see if it was stolen. NRA sent me back a blast letter about 'NO registration" so I cancelled my membership. "

jlawrenceendicott wrote on Jan 10, 2008 8:33 PM:

" PS....I dont care how many "disclaimers" U-Haul has boiler-plated into their rental contract. They are clearly and completely negligent. "

jlawrenceendicott wrote on Jan 10, 2008 8:31 PM:

" It had to be one of your friends or someone who heard you talking with a friend. I am sorry for your loss. You were legit and the "posting" pinheads seem to have eaten too much catnip, fermented berries or worse. "

nylodian wrote on Jan 10, 2008 5:45 AM:

" I am convinced that this man was targeted because the wrong people knew what he had. This obviously took planning and determination, so these theives would have taken the safe out of his house just as well. The bigger picture here is finding those guns before they are used against innocent citizens. "

danielh wrote on Jan 9, 2008 10:47 PM:

" DeltaPenguin: I saw on the TV news, a police officer demonstrated firing a "plastic-coated" bullet through a bullet-proof vest. After penetrating the vest, the bullet penetrated 3 inches into a stack of telephone books. "

WY wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:46 PM:

" OK, I still don't feel sorry for this guy. It was stupid to keep this many weapons in a storage unit. extra tires... a trampoline... a doll collection...junk you don't want to get rid of but want out of the house, but not guns... with amo! I still want to see it recovered. I do hope he gets his GUNS back. And the bullets too. "

WY wrote on Jan 9, 2008 8:38 PM:

" Weezer... I don't think you could trust them. I mean, if this kinda theft went down I wouldn't think the holiday decor isn't safe either. "

jackmax wrote on Jan 9, 2008 5:37 PM:

" As for surveilance , I know they used to have a cardboard cutout of a cop in the window that you could see from the Turner road Cherokee entrance. "

jackmax wrote on Jan 9, 2008 5:31 PM:

" I do feel sorry for the guy and i know what its like to have your stuff stollen from you. The point I was trying to make was this crime smells funny.If you had a 50,000 dollars in your safe at home would you feel comfortable telling anyone ? Or would you be inviting trouble to come see you.Is it possible he mentioned somthing to anyone along the way? I do hope they catch the people responsible and punish them. I think he needs to think back to who he's talked to about the guns.Maybe he can help the police look in the right dirrection. "

ME wrote on Jan 9, 2008 4:19 PM:

" What has this man done wrong? Store his firearms collection in a gated, surveiled, and locked storage facility. He even had a safe installed to protect his investment. After reading these comments, his collection has turned into an arsenal then into a weapons cache. I hope the cops catch whoever did this and I hope that K.W. gets his property returned. Why does everyone always blame the victims instead of the criminals? "

weezer wrote on Jan 9, 2008 12:27 PM:

" WY, regardless of the type of items lost, the question would be, can I still trust U-Haul to protect my belongings stored at their facilities for a fee? "

WY wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:49 AM:

" I for sure hope this collection is recovered. "

WY wrote on Jan 9, 2008 11:48 AM:

" The man had his GUNS in a Storage unit. He kinda brought this on all by his lonesome. Even if you were hush hush about putting them there, wouldn't you make damn sure there were cameras and good security? I spose he didn't read the fine print, or look around at where he was placing his collection. If it meant SO much to him he should have been thinking. Sorry, no violins playing here. "

JACKMAX wrote on Jan 9, 2008 10:56 AM:

" I,HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE MOVING SAFES,THIS IS NOT A CRIME WHERE SOMEBODY RANDOMLY BROKE INTO A STORAGE UNIT AND FOUND A GIANT SAFE 1800 LBS AND DECIDED ON THE SPOT TO TAKE IT.WHEN YOU MOVE SOMTHING LIKE THIS YOU HAVE TO THINK AHEAD. I THINK HE PROBABLY TOLD MANY PEOPLE OF HIS GUN COLLECTION ,POSSIBLY PEOPLE WHO WORKED THERE OR SOMBODY HE SHOWED THEM OFF TO. "

nsn_lodian wrote on Jan 9, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Someone in the commercial security business told me this morning that the UHaul facility had neither a security system nor cameras (as pointed out in the article), which adds an interesting twist (if true). Assuming it is true, why move your valuable posessions to a place where there is no security AND no cameras? "

Leonard wrote on Jan 9, 2008 7:52 AM:

" To be fair, this guy did get hosed. I do feel bad for him and I hope his property is recovered. "

WY wrote on Jan 9, 2008 7:39 AM:

" Weezer... He had guns stolen from a storage unit, you think he's up tight about his photo in the paper or across the internet? There's that Gump thing again. "

nylodian wrote on Jan 9, 2008 7:38 AM:

" I wonder if they are checking out the potential buyer in Chicago too? As was posted earlier, information can be bought and there might be a connection. I worry about the gun shows, too. I personally think these shows should be banned and all guns should be bought strictly at gun shops from legit dealers. "

DeltaPenguin wrote on Jan 9, 2008 2:10 AM:

" Leonard:
I am not exactly certain as to why these rounds were initially made, however, there are numerous ammunition companies that market "hybrid" bullets and make ridiculous, or exaggerated claims of accuracy and stopping power. They make claims of their great bullets and typically, the uneducated, or immature shooter will swoop on those unconfirmed claims. I will not mention any brand names, but do some work on google and you will quickly see what I am talking about.

As far as who would buy them...Well, as mentioned above, the uneducated (or immature shooter)and gang members primarily. With a marketing gimmic of teflon being such a slippery substance, people started putting two and two together and eventually gang members began buying them up, with claims they could penetrate bullet resistant vests.

Law enforcement heard about these bullets and claims and fell into the hype of this newly created "cop killer" bullet and lobbied strongly to get it banned.

After the fact, countless rounds of testing were done and the results showed that the claims were absolute cow dung.

But, what legislator wants to be known as the one who prevented a bill from passing that was designed to bann "cop killers". "

danielh wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:29 PM:

" Leonard: It is understood that a foot militia would be no match for an organized governmental army, and I understand that any foot militia would lose, suicidal. However, the 2nd amendment still stands, regardless of what type of soldiers it was originally intended.

I am only saying that it is appropriate to maintain an armory to support the militia.

In light of current threats of house-to-house invasion, I even think some explosives and small missiles would be constitutional. "

weezer wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:35 PM:

" I mean, hiding something illegally? "

weezer wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:34 PM:

" ...on second thought, if this guy is hiding something, would he allow his picture to appear in a newspaper? "

WY wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:31 PM:

" or is that Crane... hmmmm "

WY wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:29 PM:

" I'm tired and I don't know what I meant when I typed "NOM" FRICK'N WAY. I don't know what "NOM" means. lol I got this pretty french manicure and it keeps me on the backspace button. The whole story is funny. The right to bare arms... at U-Haul. Here's a Clue, I think Patrick Star did it in the conservitory, with the rolling pin and a CRAIN. duHhhhh "

WY wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:18 PM:

" Insurance...? To bad the poor stupid man lost his guns, money and heirlooms. BOOHOO. Wonder how many gangsters will fire his guns. You know... you just might be a redneck if'n you store ya guns at the U-Haul. same kinda dude puts lino over the carpet. OK I'm gone, this is a silly man post thingy now. "

WY wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:12 PM:

" Taxpayer&Citizin...Thank you for kinda answering my question on2/8 @ 6:02. In my post I ask about Black Powder. So if there is enough black power to set a small pipe bomb in a .55 cal round from WWII, then wouldn't these bullets here in this issue be... the same? Any unit i have EVER rented has a contract you must sign stating you WON"T keep explosive of any kind in the unit. I could be a stupid woman an all, but don't BULLETS EXPLODE? Don't all bullets have powder in them? Black powder is spacific in my Rental Unit contract. I think the guy should have put his junk in storage and keep the weapons at the home. How bout this... down size. I understand colletions and all but, When you get to the point that you have to get a rental unit for a dangerious collection to keep you happy and outa bars and casinos, you got issues. (And no one needs to say guns aren't danerious, people are, I totally agree!) Now we have a stolen gun collection out in the comunnity, with live rounds taboot. NICE!!! thank you dear gun lover. So if he would of had the junk at the rental unit and the guns at home, the guns would still be there cuase he would have known that they were being stolen. Basically a more watchful eye on the collection. Is this a responsible gun owner? NOM FRICK WAY!!! Why would anyone blame U-Haul for this mans blunder. I want this guy strung up for his stpidity. He's a danger to our community and now HE put us in danger. real nice! "

awobs wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:05 PM:

" AKM - yes, he allegedly had a very valuable collection according to him. However, if he was so intent on keeping the collection safe, why did he not insure it? Yep, I agree with many of you that this sounds suspicious. Except for the fact that he did not have insurance. So, maybe an inside job, but not by him, by someone who knew what was being stored there.
"

AKM wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:17 PM:

" I am surprised at the comments posted to this story. I feel so bad for this man who had a valuable collection and took many precautions to keep it safe. it is unfortunate that some unsavory character found out about it somehow and decided to take it. It is not "strange" or "suspicious" to have that many guns. People collect all kinds of different things...have some sympathy for this man and his loss. "

35764 wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:44 PM:

" Hmmm...I am a licensed gun owner in another state with a smaller but similar inventory in an equal type safe...in my garage. I know the efforts it took my commercial mover to transport my safe 100 miles, without guns inside (I took those personally and legally in my car). This all sounds somewhat suspicious to me. Possible, but suspicious. "

Leonard wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:05 PM:

" Daniel: Looking at the 2nd Amendment in the context of the time it was written, I think that every American should own a rifle, a handgun and a back up hand gun. That is, in essence, what would be necessary to arm a foot soldier for the Founder's conception of a militia.

"

Leonard wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:03 PM:

" Daniel: While I agree in principle, there comes a time when moderation has to be applied. In the modern military environment, effective defense against air attack is essential for the maintenance of any ground force. That said, I would strongly oppose anyone who suggested that private individuals should be allowed to own surface to air missiles. "

danielh wrote on Jan 8, 2008 7:54 PM:

" Leonard: Armor-piercing ammo is useful for maintaining a militia; hence, it is protected by the 2nd amendment. Also, 50 firearms, and 2000 rounds would also be essential for maintaining a militia.

The primary objective behind the 2nd amendment is the essential requirements of maintaining a militia. If a weapon can be evaluated for it being essential in maintaining a militia, then it is protected by the 2nd amendment.

I wish I had a proper reference to give to one of the only recent supreme court cases in which the 2nd amendment was tested.

I believe it was Miller vs. United States. The case was argued on the merits of whether a sawed-off shotgun could be used in a militia.

The United States argued that a sawed-off shotgun was not necessary for maintaining a militia. Miller was dead, and no attorney elected to appear at the supreme court to defend his case, so he lost. "

Taxpayer & Citizen wrote on Jan 8, 2008 7:53 PM:

" Thanks, Lucius, for your vote of confidence. I tell it like it is, express my own opinion and intend to get abrasive and accusatory towards those management, council, big shots and good old boys in general that strut their stuff all the while with their hands in your pockets. I want every Lodian to know that the good old boy they think is so great for Lodi has stolen, robbed, borrowed or cheated people just like them to get where they're at. Lodi is full of them. They're the ones Marty puts on the front page and who win the citizen and businessman of the year awards. Stay tuned. "

Leonard wrote on Jan 8, 2008 7:13 PM:

" Educator: What are you saying, that we are prejudice against people who look like tweakers? I have nothing against guys with shaved heads and I have nothing against guys with pointy beards but I wouldn't trust this guy as far as I could throw him. "

educator wrote on Jan 8, 2008 6:40 PM:

" I wonder if this story would have made the front page if the victim of this crime were wearing a three piece suit and looked like a businessman. "

Taxpayer & Citizen wrote on Jan 8, 2008 6:06 PM:

" I still to this day have the same Daisy Carbine BB gun I got when I was five years old, 59 years ago. Still shoots, but has lost much of its power. I was raised around different firearms. We used them to hunt and ate everything we shot. Firearms will never go away. Those who respect and know how to use them are very lucky people. The day the government takes our firearms away will be a cold day in hell! "

Taxpayer & Citizen wrote on Jan 8, 2008 6:02 PM:

" Didn't you guys make your own bombs and explosive when you were kids? My step-dad had a wooden box in the garage full of 50 caliber machine gun shells still in the magazine belt leftover from WWII and each had enough powder to make one medium sized pipe bomb. We used to take them to the woods and demolish trees and an outhouse once in a while. We were captivated by the noise and the shock wave was a real rush.

We'd make our own fuses out of either rubber bands or string with gunpowder twined into it. Once in a while we'd go to the county work shed when they were having lunch and fill a quart soda or beer bottle with a blast of nitrogen and place a long fuse in it and when it exploded, it was really a rush. It's rattle windows two blocks away. Us poor kids had no other entertainment. "

Leonard wrote on Jan 8, 2008 5:47 PM:

" Perhaps I should have asked why they were made and bought. "

Leonard wrote on Jan 8, 2008 5:46 PM:

" DP: So, why are the rounds made, why do people buy them and why do people shoot them? Honest question. "

Taxpayer & Citizen wrote on Jan 8, 2008 5:20 PM:

" Oh, by the way, what does your t&c stand for? "

Taxpayer & Citizen wrote on Jan 8, 2008 5:19 PM:

" Hey phony T&C, can't you read? He said it was uninsured. "

Taxpayer & Citizen wrote on Jan 8, 2008 5:18 PM:

" Is it a coincidence there was a large gun show at Cal Expo in Sac this past weekend? Another in a week in Ventura and the week after that in the Bay Area? Possibility some could show up there? "

T & C wrote on Jan 8, 2008 5:17 PM:

" Someone Knew EXACTLY what they were after and what room they were in! That's all the more reason why storage companies should have all angles covered with quality surveillance cameras and VERY STRONG LOCKS! I am very sure this collection was INSURED! Hmmmm! "

DeltaPenguin wrote on Jan 8, 2008 5:17 PM:

" The ballistics of the jacketed hollow-point 'cop killer' are no different than any other jacketed hollow-point. The shooting "experience" is no different.

Aside from the unfortunate idea that a cop is getting shot at, he/she is in no more danger of a bullet penetrating their vest than with any other jacketed hollow-point. "

Leonard wrote on Jan 8, 2008 4:56 PM:

" DP: I am curious. These are basically jacketed rounds just like any other jacketed round. Is the experience of shooting a armor piercing round somehow different than shooting a normal jacketed round? The ballistics are the same, right?

I would say that these rounds are more deadly than other rounds if you happen to be a cop wearing armor and the crook shooting you with a handgun happens to be loading these bullets. "

DeltaPenguin wrote on Jan 8, 2008 4:24 PM:

" Leonard: I too own several firearms and am quite proficient in their use. Although I have never purchased them, I would be lying if I were to say that I have never fired armor piercing rounds.

I do not support people who are in possession of illegal ammunition, or illegal firearms. I have no respect for those who use loopholes to own said items either.

My point in directly speaking of these "cop killers" was not any kind of defense or endorsement. My point here, is that they are no more deadly than any other bullet. Do not focus on the fact that they have been deemed "cop killers". Focus on the fact that there is a felon out there with a large stash of bullets and weapons.

I focus more on the "cop killer" that is pulling the trigger rather than the bullet used.


"

Lodian wrote on Jan 8, 2008 4:18 PM:

" Brian: You said, "Lodi always seems to be blessed with quite a unique cast of characters". I think we can all agree that there are some very unique people in all 5o states. Some of these unique individuals are desirable citizens and some, well, not so much. "

Leonard wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:56 PM:

" DP I own three guns and shoot regularly. I am proud to say that I have never purchased nor shot "armor piercing" ammunition of any kind. While I very much support the 2nd Amendment, I also support the ban on cop killer ammo and condemn those who use legal loopholes to justify keeping said ammo on hand. As the case of this odd looking fellow illustrates so well, it only requires a single mishap for this ammo to end up in a criminal's magazine.

Since you seem to be defending cop killer rounds I am curious. What is your case for private ownership of cop killer ammo? "

DeltaPenguin wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:25 PM:

" danielh: No. There were bullets that were coated with teflon years ago as a marketing gimic. False claims were made that the teflon made the bullets so slippery that they would cut right through the kevlar of a bullet resistant vest. "

danielh wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:22 PM:

" DeltaPenguin: Did you mean, kevlar? Teflon is very soft. "

DeltaPenguin wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:19 PM:

" My apologies for referencing armor piercing. I realize I read that portion of the story incorrectly.

As for the teflon however, the facts are still over-whelming. It was just a gimic and they are no more prone to penetrating a vest than any other bullet. "

voter wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:17 PM:

" Is it just me, or did anyone else get a good laugh out of the quote -- "As a single guy, I could either drink and gamble or I could buy stuff," he said. ??? "

DeltaPenguin wrote on Jan 8, 2008 3:14 PM:

" Leonard: Years ago, teflon coated bullets were introduced. An over-anxious legislature heard about these deadly bullets and took action, fearing their extremely lethal destruction of bullet resistant vests.

Since, countless tests have been done and re-done to the point of exhaustion. The only thing that was proven....1) They are bullets and 2)Teflon works great for eggs, but made zero difference on a bullet resistant vest.

Armor piercing rounds are significantly different than the marketing gimic known as teflon bullets. "

Taxpayer & Citizen wrote on Jan 8, 2008 2:45 PM:

" This is a criminal issue that should've been, and should be, handled by the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms dept. of the US Govt. with such a large cache of weapons involved. This was a well planned and orchestrated crime. I suppose the thieves just hapeened to have had some magical powers to have just loaded that safe onto a pickup truck. Find out who rented a large engine cherry-picker lately and you'll find the culprit. "

nsn_lodian wrote on Jan 8, 2008 1:50 PM:

" To Educator:
There aren't too many criminals running around with Long Guns robbing liquor stores for the obvious reason - its kinda hard to conceal a long gun under a trench coat.

The point is that these rounds give HANDGUNS the penetrating power of HIGH VELOCITY ROUNDS fired out of rifles. "

nsn_lodian wrote on Jan 8, 2008 1:47 PM:

" An "investment for retirement"? Are you serious? Its only worth $70,000? That isn't much of a retirement!

He should talk to a financial advisor who wears a suit instead of one who wears camoulflage.

He would have been better off in Mutual Fund, because someone can't walk off with your mutual fund - and someone can't kill a cop with a mutual fund - and someone can't hold up a liquor store with a mutual fund. AND a mutual fund can't penetrate a flak jacket!

I think you get the picture. "

WY wrote on Jan 8, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Weezer... Why would it be the U-Haul's fault? The guy should have had them at home or thinned out somehow. Can't bullets explode...? Leonard? can't they? He might be a reloader and have Black powder in an unsafe area too. Is everyone OK with him having these in a storage unit? Or am I to the left in my thinking? I got my Christmas decor in my storage unit, not my 357 or grandpa's musket. "

nsn_lodian wrote on Jan 8, 2008 1:43 PM:

" Last year there was an arrest of a Lodi man who was caught bringing illegal weapons across state lines (from Nevada). That story was never published in the News Sentinel. His defense was that they were guns "purchased for his collection". Interesting similarity. "

educator wrote on Jan 8, 2008 1:20 PM:

" The article didn't say that all 2000 rounds were armor piercing. Besides, virtually anything fired out of a long gun, including .22 magnums, will penetrate body armor. "

Leonard wrote on Jan 8, 2008 12:26 PM:

" DP: The issue with armor piercing rounds is these teflon jacketed rounds will pierce a police officer's bullet proof vest. For a cop, this can mean the difference between a couple of broken ribs and death. "

Leonard wrote on Jan 8, 2008 12:24 PM:

" I don't think I have ever seen a .22 armor piercing round and they certainly don't sell them at Walmart in boxes of 500. "

educator wrote on Jan 8, 2008 12:12 PM:

" 2000 rounds of ammo sounds like a lot. But when I go to Walmart and buy 4 big boxes of .22s (on sale) that equals 2200. "

judy wrote on Jan 8, 2008 12:01 PM:

" How does someone get a post of over 250 words printed when there is a 100 word limit? "

danielh wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:58 AM:

" I thought gun crimes would end if the guns were registered. "

DeltaPenguin wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:41 AM:

" Although I have a lot of questions in my mind about things in this story that do not add up, I will keep those out of this response.

For those who question why this man would have moved his weapons to a secured facility, when it was fine in his home for all those years...You are probably the same people who would criticize him with even stronger conviction if all of these weapons had been stolen from his home.

As far as this armor piercing ammo. You can pretty much take any full-metal jacket large caliber rifle round and will discover it can pierce armor. Who cares. A 9mm round will kill someone just as easily as a so-called "armor piercing' round. Both will penetrate a standard home wall, a car door. Does the title "armor piercing" really matter? No.

The owner legally owned each weapon and tried to provide extremely safe storage for this collection. Although I would never own that many firearms, I will not judge, or slight him for his chose to legally own them. Additionally, he chose a location that was much safer than 99% of the homes in the world and even went through added measures to make it that much more secure.

I agree with many that this appears to be an inside job...Whether it is employees, friends...I do not know, but common sense dictates that this was a targeted location. I truly hops that the weapons and ammunition are located. We already have too many out there on the street. "

weezer wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:28 AM:

" The stolen items pose a danger not just to ordinary citizens like us. What if a police officer encounters a felon who's in possession of one of those armor-piercing stuff?

I don't know why but Warren reminds me of TV's Jericho character, Robert Hawkins.

Something's missing in this story. I hope the FBI steps in. "

nsn_lodian wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:02 AM:

" Ok, I can see a collector having 50 guns. But does he need to have 2,000 rounds of ammunition to go along with them? Seems that is too many guns for casual shooting, so why would he need so many rounds of ammunition? Something is not right here ..... "

nsn_lodian wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:00 AM:

" Can you say "inside job"?

I knew you could .... "

shannonlee05 wrote on Jan 8, 2008 10:27 AM:

" i thought they had cameras there. "

Taxpayer & Citizen wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:57 AM:

" Wow, not an inside job or a case of someone knowing exactly what they wanted and where it was at? It sure is time for the police chief to retire and bring someone in from the outside that will wake our PD up to all this unreported crime that they can't, or don't want to handle on the eastside. "

weezer wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:33 AM:

" If Warren's claims are true, this is bad news for U-Haul's business. They should spearhead a move to recover those stolen items or might as well close shop. Who would trust U-Haul storage now? Not me.

Obviously, this is an inside job. Someone knew too much and made money out of it. Information sells.

However, IMO, Warren's story isn't air-tight. All the more that U-Haul should help in the investigation. Would they allow this incident to damage their other branches' business? "

CLH wrote on Jan 8, 2008 9:24 AM:

" JUST MAYBE THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK THAT HEAVY SAFE THERE, TOOK IT OUT. THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT, WHERE AND HOW TO MOVE IT. "

WY wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:55 AM:

" Sorry, surface was the word I meant to type "

Leonard wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:55 AM:

" Brian: Could be. You are right about the beard.

As I said, I fully support the right to bear arms but I am not sure this is the guy I would want to be standing next to at the range as he send 500 lbs of armor piercing ordinance down range.

To each their own, I suppose. "

WY wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:54 AM:

" So ... there was illegal amo stolen? Scary! and I think this guy was jacked up in his thinking keeping this dangerious stuff in a storage unit. Now the community has to worry his weapons are going to seface in crime about the town. This man is .....Smart/Stupid. Circle one! Lil gump for me . Stupid is as stupid does. I think I rather have the dude drunk and gamble. 50 "

WY wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:48 AM:

" I don't understand why he was alllowed to keep an arsonal at a storage unit. "

WY wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:45 AM:

" That's alot of weapons. "

carlos wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:33 AM:

" I was thinking about renting a storage unit at that U-Haul Storage. What a joke their security must be if thieves could get away with something huge and heavy like this safe! I definitely wouldn't rent from them! "

Mad Dog wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:31 AM:

" The crooks knew this guy. They knew his gate code and they knew which storage unit was his. On the other hand, the guy was going to inventory his collection the next day? Didn't he already know what he had? He was going to sell it to an enthusiast? What happened to keeping it for his retirement. The timing doesn't quite add up. "

Brian wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:29 AM:

" Well Leonard, Perhaps he had plans to open up a gunshop. I don't know if that gunshop is still open on Lodi Ave. That said, I'm sure there is well over 50 guns in that person's posession. Along with all the rest of the gun collectors in Lodi and anywhere else in the nation.
This character in the picture IS dawning quite a unique beard. Lodi always seems to be blessed with quite a unique cast of characters. "

Leonard wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:07 AM:

" Just to be clear, I am not questioning his right to own these weapons, just his reason. "

Leonard wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:07 AM:

" I'm all for the right to bear arms but, as with all things, it is possible to do it to excess. How does one "bear" 50 firearms and 2000 rounds of armor piercing ammo. Its sounds like this guy didn't just want to be part of a well regulated militia but rather he wanted to form (and arm) his own.

Additionally, who ever heard of someone stockpiling weapons as a "retirement strategy" especially non collectors items like the ones that formed the bulk of this arms cache? "

nylodian wrote on Jan 8, 2008 8:00 AM:

" Sounds like this involved several people to drag off something that heavy. I'd look into who knew he paid in cash each month. Is there no security cameras at the facility? "

Whoa Nellie! wrote on Jan 8, 2008 7:48 AM:

" Gosh, I'm feeling a bit like T&C (cynical) but I wonder why... if you had your gun safe in your home before why don't you have it in your home now? Something tells me this was no random storage yard break-in. "

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