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Korina Self addresses the Lodi Unified School District Board of Trustees on Tuesday night about the content of her son's seventh-grade history textbook. (Jerry R. Tyson/News-Sentinel)

‘Negligent and intolerable’

Parents bring textbook concerns to Lodi Unified

By Amanda Dyer
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 7, 2007 10:00 AM PST

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Still not satisfied with the treatment of religions in her son's seventh-grade textbook, Korina Self aired her concerns Tuesday night at Lodi Unified's board meeting.

Backed by nearly a dozen family members and friends, Self delivered a prepared statement asking the board to remove the book "History Alive!: The Medieval World and Beyond" from classrooms.

"To know that a textbook was selected and put into use by our district that is blatantly one-sided, whitewashed, and that our children are being spoon-fed this information with sugar on top ... I feel is negligent and intolerable," Self said.

Self stopped to gather herself several times during her statement, in which she said the book's description of the Crusades and its definition of several Islamic terms, including "Jihad" and "Shari'ah" are incorrect.

Korina Self and her husband Jim decided to review their 12-year-old son's textbook late last month after hearing that he was learning about the Prophet Muhammad.

After reading the book, which was published by the Teachers' Curriculum Institute, the Selfs took issue with what they feel is an undue amount of attention to the teachings of Islam, historical inaccuracies and a lack of information on other religions.

Initially, they asked that their son, who attended Houston Elementary School in Acampo, not participate in the school's history lessons.


Some Lodi Unified parents give a standing ovation to Korina Self, left, Tuesday night after she expressed her concerns over a history book. (Jerry R. Tyson/News-Sentinel)

The Selfs eventually had to pull their son out of school to escape ridicule on campus.

He is now on independent study at home.

Since first reading the book, the Selfs have worked to inform parents about the book's content and have began the district's formal complaint process, through which parents, employees and other members of the public can challenge instructional materials.

The Selfs are also collecting signatures from parents who disapprove of the textbook. Though several petitions are in circulation, Korina Self said one petition she received had 15 signatures on it.

Mark Calonico, administrative director of curriculum at Lodi Unified, said he didn't know of any other parent who has contacted the district to complain about the textbook.

Calonico said he's not sure he can convince the Selfs and parents with similar concerns that their beliefs about the materials are inaccurate, but he doesn't think that's the point.

"I think they are certainly entitled to their opinion," Calonico said.

His concern is that the Selfs and parents like them get their issues addressed as quickly and as thoroughly as possible, he said.

"That's our responsibility as custodians of the district," Calonico said.

Teachers' Curriculum Institute

• TCI was founded in 1989 by a small group of social studies teachers.
• The company now publishes social studies materials to by used by students from kindergarten to 12th-grade.
• TCI's first program in 1991 consisted of a white binder with photocopied lesson plans and other, now outdated instructional materials.
• The company now uses interactive student notebooks, CDs and CD-ROMs to engage students.
— TCI Web site.

What people said

"We never imagined that what we found in this textbook would lead me here tonight."
— Korina Self, parent

"Open up your children's textbooks. Read what they're learning. Decide for yourself if this is OK."
— Korina Self, parent

"I believe passionately that to understand the people and their culture, you must understand their religion."
— Bonnie Cassel, Lodi Unified board member

"I want you to know, as the chairman of the board, you were heard. You were very clearly heard."
— Ken Davis, Lodi Unified board president

Although Calonico said he has not gone through the textbook's bibliography to ensure that it is historically accurate, he feels that the process used to select the textbook was transparent and that the textbook is consistent with state standards.

Bonnie Cassel, board member and former Lodi Unified social studies teacher, said that in her day, teachers were discouraged to discuss religion at all.

"In my mind, that stifled just about everything that we wanted to convey to the students," Cassel said.

Cassel said she struggled in her years as a U.S. history teacher to teach about the United States' founders without touching on the religion that was so important to them.

Cassel urged Korina Self to get a copy of the state's social studies framework — a source of information teachers have to guide them through the teaching of religion.

Korina Self said she will continue to move the issue forward through the district's process.

Ultimately, she said, she would like to get the issue on the board's agenda.

"We're in the baby stages of getting it done," Korina Self said.

Contact reporter Amanda Dyer at amandad@lodinews.com.

Reader Feedback

Steve Baldwin wrote on Nov 17, 2007 8:59 PM:

" Another textbook review group has blasted TCI for being biased: www.historytextbooks.org/islam.htm Indeed, one cannot find any textbook reveiw groups who don't think that TCI books are among the most bias books on the market. "

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Steve Baldwin wrote on Nov 17, 2007 4:51 PM:

" For those of you who asked me about the natioanl controversy caused by TCI, just go www.textbookleague.org/tci-az.htm This is a nationally respected textbook review group comprised of professionals who actually know history. For more on TCI, you can also go to: www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={3F8C053C-53D2-49CC-B393-85F4CD79A32B} Steve "

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Paul wrote on Nov 17, 2007 2:37 PM:

" I personally have no problem believing that the Self's allegations are entirely correct. The educational establishment is awash in globalism, multiculturalism, and political correctness. But the writer of this story was lazy or purposely obtuse in neglecting to give even one example from the text in question. Afraid to rile the people up even more - with the truth? "

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To Korina Self wrote on Nov 17, 2007 1:10 PM:

" Heal thy "Self" "

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aine wrote on Nov 16, 2007 8:41 PM:

" Thanks to the Selfs for going forward with this PC crapola. Political Correctness is going to get us all killed! "

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aine wrote on Nov 16, 2007 8:39 PM:

" all the Great Wars began with the word COMMUNISM...100 million dead! "

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Freda wrote on Nov 16, 2007 8:28 PM:

" Bravo, Mr. and Mrs. Self! Only a grass-roots uprising among parents can stop the spread of falsities embedded in our textbooks by the Saudi-funded Council on Islamic Education--which at least 4 years ago produced a booklet on how to teach religion in the public schools. Read about it in "The Dawning of Dawa," at http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=5BC2FD27-3EF2-475D-9B49-575BAC744003 "

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to jewish person wrote on Nov 16, 2007 3:58 PM:

" to wat u said about muslims only a jewish person would say that "

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Kulhwch wrote on Nov 15, 2007 2:39 PM:

" Excellent, Mrs. Self. I applaud you. Awareness of what your children are being taught in school is important, and the advocating of one religion over others SHOULD be viewed skeptically. I'm glad you took a stand. I found you mentioned on a NY blog, atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com ... it as well as www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch & www.littlegreenfootballs.com show clearly that this isn't an isolated incident nor is it harmless. Good luck to you, just ignore the folks who slam you, and keep on moving in the direction you're going. Bless you. "

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John Schuh wrote on Nov 14, 2007 10:11 PM:

" Islam means submit but submit your will to God not man and be in fear of God an dont ad Gods with the One true God all merciful who is more merciful then your mother. The all knowing, all seeing, all hearing, invisible to us but not the angles who prostrate to him all day and night " Actually it means to submit to Mohammed's God. "

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PBI wrote on Nov 14, 2007 9:33 PM:

" One of the hundred reasons to homeschool your child. Sending your children to public schools these days is a form of child abuse. "

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Source wrote on Nov 14, 2007 8:54 PM:

" Steve what's the source of your information regarding it's being talked about all over the country? Would you share with us other schools that have pulled the book? "

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Myth of Neutrality wrote on Nov 14, 2007 7:53 PM:

" There is no "neutral" textbook. Just give parents their kids and their money back and let PARENTS freely choose what their kids should be taught. Or, is that too much "diversity"? "

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hey wrote on Nov 13, 2007 7:40 PM:

" No one will ever totally agree on which book is the right one to teach/use in public schools. Stick to the basics. Let parents teach their religion at home and move on. "

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Steve Baldwin wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:34 PM:

" Wake up folks; the book your district chose is well known in social studies circles to be a wacky book totally biased against Western Civilization. Its been written about all over the country. Only a few schools in America use it and many of them have pulled it. Your school board is NOT required to use this book. There are other books on the state approved list that satisfy the history requirements. "

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chuck wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:40 PM:

" This is divine God, Empires will have a stated term. "

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Chuck wrote on Nov 11, 2007 8:30 PM:

" This make me wonder, is this what the Indians were talking about when their culture and freedom was taken from them? "

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group think wrote on Nov 11, 2007 9:35 AM:

" "group think" hmmm.. Who's group? Muslin? "

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r80ant wrote on Nov 11, 2007 9:01 AM:

" Where's Korina's brave marine for a husband? "

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real facts wrote on Nov 10, 2007 4:50 PM:

" (real flakey Nov 10 11:17 AM:" If I was a Muslim I wouldn't come forward you're scarey). maybe you are confronted with something that makes you feel uncomfortable, like someone telling you a truth you would rather set aside in your life. if you knew me in life, you could only hope that you could have a friend like me. unlike muslims, i have friends in ALL walks of life. there is not a person on this planet that i can't relate to, or be friends with. thus my cricket with muslims reference. i would. they wouldn't "

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The Myth of Neutrality wrote on Nov 10, 2007 3:03 PM:

" At a time when the 3rd rise of Islam threatens our civilization, this positive, whitewashed, textbook portayal of Islam is outright dangerous to our health and survival as a people. Although the Self's battle against this false presentation of Islam by the State must be enjoined by many parents in the community, the long-term brainwashing of school children en masse by the State, aka "public" or government schools, can only by ended by parental freedom from the state in education, such as we once had for over 220 years and which produced incontrovertably individual genius. "

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The Myth of Neutrality wrote on Nov 10, 2007 2:59 PM:

" Jim and Korina Self are finding out that "history" is NOT neutral. The State of California approved the TCI history textbook, according to its standards, as did the local district. The State believes its standards are adequate for all California children; the Selfs and others strongly disagree. This standoff illustrates the problem of Statist schooling, aka "public" schools. They must necessarily standardize their children, which brings in "group think". "

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To "Flakey" wrote on Nov 10, 2007 2:01 PM:

" Its "if I WERE a Muslim. "

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to Mu-Ha-Mad wrote on Nov 10, 2007 12:28 PM:

" Islam means submit but submit your will to God not man and be in fear of God an dont ad Gods with the One true God all merciful who is more merciful then your mother. The all knowing, all seeing, all hearing, invisible to us but not the angles who prostrate to him all day and night "

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real flakey wrote on Nov 10, 2007 11:17 AM:

" If I was a Muslim I wouldn't come forward you're scarey. "

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Where are the pastors? wrote on Nov 10, 2007 9:27 AM:

" Are there any real pastors in Lodi? This Islam in school issue should be a no-brainer for them. Jesus said, "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea." (Mark 9:42) Jesus spoke up for the little ones. So, where are the pastors? "

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Allan wrote on Nov 10, 2007 6:37 AM:

" Richard Fraud: Eze 23 The seventh word of judgment. The allegory of Aholah and Aholibah. Key words allegory and judgement. Nothing about promoting it as good. Jdg 19:1-30 Part of the history of the wickedness of the men of Gibeah and an attempt to make people take action about it. Took me all of 5 minutes reading the actual context of the chapters to determin that. Do you look at context or just quote random verses that suit your opinion? "

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real facts wrote on Nov 9, 2007 8:09 PM:

" still waiting for an actual muslim to come forward and condemn the various acts of 911 and such, committed by muslims. haven't seen it yet. dead silence. no distancing. no censuring of people in thier community that doesn't represent "peaceful" islam (like richard mcintyre). forget Christianity, humanity doesn't act like that. you condemn an evil act, and you condemn the words of those that don't represent humanity. i see or hear nothing. that sums up alot. they wonder why they are "misunderstood". trouble is, we do understand. more every day "

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real facts wrote on Nov 9, 2007 7:56 PM:

" got to thinking about what is so "peaceful" about islam? muslims are peaceful at times in humanity, not causing outright trouble and keeping to themselves. i found that also disturbing. i wave at muslims at times, or say hi. no response. could i play basketball with them at blakely park?no. could i join in playing cricket at vinewood school? not a chance. the "peaceful" moniker is misleading. they have the MINIMUM to do with anyone outside their religion. you ask me, thats not "peaceful". thats a cult. peaceful means being human. it's not just about not causing trouble "

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In God we Trust wrote on Nov 9, 2007 4:58 PM:

" to be really politically correct the Muslim word and history should be printed in Spanish. As aren't the English speaking Christians of the United States the minority? I am a woman - please do not stone me. "

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No Islam wrote on Nov 9, 2007 3:58 PM:

" Very sad: the textbook does not teach unbiased Islamic history but presents a whitewashed sanitized version to appeal to sensitive American psyches. It is not an accurate truthful representation of Islam in so many ways, contrary to the fact that CA law mandates that the texts must be factual. Revisionist history, yes, a total misrepresentation of the nature of Islam is being foisted on the kids by the 'experts' in the educational establishment. "

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NSN Lodian wrote on Nov 9, 2007 2:59 PM:

" To Richard McIntyre: I find it funny that all your arguments are based in the 5th century. Christianity, as well as most other mainstream religions, underwent reformations many hundreds of years ago and are now the foundation of civilized religion throughout the world. Fundamentalist Islam, on the other hand, remains a 15th century relic that espouses values that the WORLD COMMUNITY no longer holds as valuable or true. "

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to Where are the pastors wrote on Nov 9, 2007 2:13 PM:

" Maybe they are in church silently praying for your souls, unable to believe that their parishoners can spew such hostility and outright hatred. He's wondering if any of you have paid attention to his sermons on forgiveness. He's a man of Gods teachings seven days a week. From reading all the postings I'd say he's a minority. "

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very sad wrote on Nov 9, 2007 1:49 PM:

" I believe the book was to teach children history, not to practice Islam. Should we wipe from our books everything in history we don't agree with? Fear is a powerful thing and a lot of you are fearful. We are not known around the world as ugly Americans for nothing. "

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To an american wrote on Nov 9, 2007 11:14 AM:

" That is exactly how the Terrosts want you to think... Jump in feet first! "

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Richard Fraud wrote on Nov 9, 2007 10:51 AM:

" Regardind women not going into Mosques. Have you ever been outside of Lodi your entire life or did you lie to cover up the oppression your Bible teaches? Oh yeah, read Ezekiel chapter 23 and get back to me on the context of those x-rated god-inspired verses so I can truly understand the wisdom of whatever the heck it means. Judges 19:22-29 needs a bit of explaining as well. Can't wait to hear from you! "

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Chris wrote on Nov 9, 2007 10:03 AM:

" amazing. "

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TO Suprised wrote on Nov 9, 2007 8:09 AM:

" (Muslims are doing is retaliation) Get out of America! "

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Where are the pastors? wrote on Nov 9, 2007 7:04 AM:

" Where are the pastors when you need them? Why do they always have so much to say to the flock on Sunday, but nothing to say to the community on Tuesday when the school board discussed the textbook indoctrination of their children into Islam? "

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Texan at heart wrote on Nov 9, 2007 12:23 AM:

" maewest in texas: Isn't Texas the capital for illegals? "

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Bud wrote on Nov 8, 2007 10:12 PM:

" More people need to stand up against the Islamic agenda in America. While we give them rights when they are here to whorship as thy like, we would never be allowed to whorship as we like in Islamic countries. If you do your research you will find many Muslim organizations in the U.S, such as the Center for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and others, who fund terrorists. It is their goal to make the U.S, one day, an Islamic state. Keep up the good work Mrs, Self! We need more Americans like you. "

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burqa wrote on Nov 8, 2007 9:58 PM:

" Now there is a barbie doll dressed in a burqa!!! When she takes it off Ken stones her. Amazing how realistic toys are these days. "

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an american wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:27 PM:

" I always felt that there was very little information about Islam throughout the primary and secondary levels. It does not make a lot of sense to me for us to ignore one of the the two largest religions in the world. Perhaps with more knowledge people would not become enthralled by the irresponsible media portrayal of Muslims. "

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Mu-Ha-Mad wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:15 PM:

" It is time for all Americans to understand that Islam means "submit". You are not allowed to do your own thing, you are to follow shiria law and get rid of the US Constitution. There is no freedom of speech or the press. You must submit to shiria law and women must be veiled. Submit or else. "

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Richard McIntyre wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:11 PM:

" My hope is others will follow suit and stop supporting these injustices, paving the way for a more secure and straight path for ourselves and country than the direction we're heading, which is a path of immorality and societal ruin. What initially affects the minority, sooner or later, begins to affect the majority. Quran 49:13, " O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another (not despise one another). "

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To: Wow wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:08 PM:

" I hear you! Terrifying, isn't it? Small town, smaller minds. They'll insist that voting for W both times was a good idea, too. Idiots. "

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Richard McIntyre wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:02 PM:

" The only thing your calls for help will bring is a media frenzy, a paralyzed public,lies and, if all else fails, forced confessions, so the whole debacle isn't viewed as a lost cause. In other words, more injustices. God exposed the evil doers in this case and others and only those who have been given insight will be able to look beyond the red, white and blue and see what America is becoming. Some Christians have recognized this fact and have stood up and spoken out against the oppression of their government. "

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Fightin' Madd wrote on Nov 8, 2007 7:50 PM:

" I'm getting real sick of all the political correctness going on. We are a Christian society and have been an example for the world to follow!! Why are we now white washing the real Islamic religion's history and turning our Christianity into the "EVIL" religion of the world??? Just as they're doing with our founding fathers and what they believed and stood for. We should stand tall in our beliefs and not let others change them. "The TRUTH will set you free" "

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real afcts wrote on Nov 8, 2007 7:36 PM:

" TO Surprised? on Nov 8, 2007 1:41 PM: that angle is invalid, as a reason for justification, OR validation. everyone has had moments of indiscretion or sterling humanity. when you are arguing on behalf of your religion to be accepted by humanity, make sure you are fair by giving full disclosure. full disclosure would be that mohammed only became a prophet BECAUSE he murdered people. islams base was based on mayhem. any "good" that happens after the "base", doesn't validate it. the "base" is bad, but some followers can act good. "

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WY wrote on Nov 8, 2007 7:04 PM:

" Right on Walter... it's not Islam that goes out in the world and feeds it! It's mostly American that feeds the world. YOu don't really hear about Islamic Missionaries doing good through out the world. But you do hear about Islamic militants killing others that go and feed others in peace. My brother faught the muslim war lords in Somalia, keeping food from their own. I believe that was a shot of "Islam" "

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WY wrote on Nov 8, 2007 6:56 PM:

" I read, "Force them into submission" That's nice... :( No freedom in that forcing thingy. Show them the "most peacful religion" with FORCE! Oh sign me up!!!I think our kids should know about the culture they will be fighting. (They will be fighting) "

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WY wrote on Nov 8, 2007 6:47 PM:

" To me the word "REDNECK" is like calling a black person a "N" or a mexican a sp...k so why is it OK to put the word 'REDNECK" on the blogs? "

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WY wrote on Nov 8, 2007 6:18 PM:

" lil to... you go! "

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WY wrote on Nov 8, 2007 6:17 PM:

" Wow.. 'Redneck Morons"? hmmmm. "

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S & W 500 wrote on Nov 8, 2007 5:57 PM:

" Do you trust the followers of that faith? Do they stand against terrorism? Do they actively promote peace? Answer these questions, and you will learn a thing or two! Maybe my ears are full of wax, but I do not trust them!!!!!!!!!!! Check your six! "

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dave T wrote on Nov 8, 2007 5:55 PM:

" I wonder if the cultural study mentions genital mutilation. And the subjugation of women drivers. "

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chuck wrote on Nov 8, 2007 5:47 PM:

" Home schooling has left us with a generation of idiots... "

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maewest in texas wrote on Nov 8, 2007 3:34 PM:

" We in Texas feel the pain of our California neighbors once again. And those of us who homeschool, often at great personal and financial sacrifice, wonder why more Californians don't leave their public schools en masse. It's the best protection against claptrap your kids can have. Keep up the good fight, Mrs. Self!!!!! "

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to wow wrote on Nov 8, 2007 2:30 PM:

" on Nov 8, 2007 10:29 AM: " this town is just chock full of redneck morons isn't it? Do you guys actually believe the things you are writing as comments? Scary times.... Call if what you will, I will call it 100% American, and wish to stay that way... I do not wish to worship the Muslim way of life nor have my children do so either... Muslims need to learn and worship our way of life... "

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real facts wrote on Nov 8, 2007 1:56 PM:

" surprised? nope. par for their course. what i am surprised about (sarcastic tone included) is that there are NO muslims coming on in here, differentiating between "peaceful islam", and extreme islam. none. no distancing. no fighting for a distinction in order to save face on their religion. muslims don't condone violence by other muslims. that alone proves it is not a religion of peace. if it where, condemnation would follow those acts around like a bad habit "

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TO Surprised? wrote on Nov 8, 2007 1:41 PM:

" Did you here about muslims in world war one causing problems, did you hear of them in world war 2, NO, but you heard them after the jews forcefully with the help of america in late 40s distroy peace in the world by taking over the Isa (Jesus)holy site by brutal force what the muslims are doing is retaliation. How sad that the facts are distorted. "

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Surprised? wrote on Nov 8, 2007 1:20 PM:

" Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983; Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988; First New York World Trade Center attack 1993; Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996; Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998; Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000; New York World Trade Center 2001; Pentagon 2001. http://www.freedomszone.com/archives/2005/07/this_war_is_for_real.php "

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skmiller wrote on Nov 8, 2007 12:56 PM:

" There is no reason to teach Islam in a public school where the percentage of moslems is hardly 1% instead they should teach judeo-christian values and the blessed moslems who are in west can learn about the good things about our culture and in so we are integrating them(moslems) into our western culture. "

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Kair wrote on Nov 8, 2007 12:20 PM:

" "If the textbook is to be accurate it should discuss the killings and maimings of women that are the punishment for breaking these rules about "modesty". " EXACTLY RIGHT! THANK YOU! "

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Kafir wrote on Nov 8, 2007 12:17 PM:

" Shariah and Jihad are thoroughly explained through the 4 islamic legal traditions. A spiritual jihad is what you do when Islam has conquered the non-believers and forced them into submission. While dar-al-harb still exists, every good Muslim must be involved in the 'jihad', ie: fight against non-believers for the predominance of Islam, somehow. This involveds lying for the furtherence of Islam (taqquiya, kitman). Why are so many Christian women being raped in pakistan? In Sweden, Norway, Australia, there have been a wave of rapes of non-Muslim women by muslims. "

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to wow... wrote on Nov 8, 2007 11:59 AM:

" And you are? "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 8, 2007 11:37 AM:

" Allah says: Why should a website on Islam, with graphic details, be required reading in our schools? "

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Jewish person wrote on Nov 8, 2007 10:42 AM:

" Moslems are just as committed to slitting Christian throats as Jewish throats. Why do so may Christians (and Jews) seem so committed to helping them? "

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wow.... wrote on Nov 8, 2007 10:29 AM:

" this town is just chock full of redneck morons isn't it? Do you guys actually believe the things you are writing as comments? Scary times.... "

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fishermansWife wrote on Nov 8, 2007 10:28 AM:

" homeschool. and prepare to become dhimmi-fied soon. America has lost its purpose. we're ripe for revolution. Whether from Ishmael's wild children, or illegals coming from our south, we're being invade and conquest will soon follow if our men and women don't put down the remote and wake up to what's happening. soon there will be nowhere to escape the anti-christ religion of Islam. "

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As America Crumbles wrote on Nov 8, 2007 9:46 AM:

" I urge all White Christian parents to read their children's public school textbooks. They're filled with anti-White, anti-Christian, and pro-homosexual propaganda. It will make you mad as ... well, you know! It would be interesting to find out who owns these textbook publishing companies and see if they share a common political bias/agenda with school boards and "educators". It's time to shine the light on the cockroaches. "

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WY wrote on Nov 8, 2007 9:20 AM:

" Why is there such fear in the middle east of the teachings in the Bible. If islam is the only way to go then show the people by giving them to learn for themselves. Let them look at Christainity (or any other for that matter). Maybe some forced believers of Islam would start doing as Jesus would do. Is it religion or culture that stifles peace? "

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American Sheep wrote on Nov 8, 2007 9:18 AM:

" Islam's purpose is to conquer the world. It's easier to do if you soften up your enemy's children by teaching them it's a "religion of peace" and give jihad a positive spin while you teach your own children how to slaughter Christians and Jews to please your ugly god allah. This woman knows the truth. The people who are ridiculing her are necessary idiots in the advancement of this barbaric religion. "

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WY wrote on Nov 8, 2007 9:00 AM:

" Islam... With all due respect, I dare muslims to open their minds and with no hate read our Bible. See, here we are free to make that choice. In the east you ARE muslim or you get to die. No one is free to make a choice.If you only know one thing, you can only fight for that one belief. If there is no other knowledge how can you be wise in your choice when there is no choice? "

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Kathleen wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:56 AM:

" I agree with earlier posts. If this textbook had included references to Jesus, Moses or Christainity, there would be such an outcry and a demand to pull any type of textbook immediately. It's a double standard in this country. If it's Islam, Atheism, Buddhism, etc.... it's OK to teach in the public school system. But if it's Christianity, it has to be removed immediately. This is why I have homeschooled for 18 years. "

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BabsC wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:41 AM:

" Islam wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:32 PM: " I promise you,its will be the greatest Text you ever read i will let u know the quran is about Jesus (Isa) from the start it confirms the Injel and the Torah..... Haven't read much have ya. The Quaran is a bad imitation of a combination of the Torah and the Bible. Krishna and Buddha have a similar story to Mo and Jesus. The hardest thing about freedom is allowing everybody their's. "

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religion biased material wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:38 AM:

" I believe that a small reference to what each religion believes is just fine. But to make a child learn the Five Pillars of Faith etc... is above and beyond. The USA was founded on Christian religious principles, whether people like it or not. A child that wants to further explore this should be allowed to do so at home, or at a local library. There is no separation of church and state in the Constitution. Investigate that! "

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Walter wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:37 AM:

" It is not necessary to read the Koran....all we need do is to watch this 'religion" in practice by its most vociferous adherents. The beheadings, the hangings, the m indless violence against civilians...it is there for all to see. "

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Janis wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:36 AM:

" "This is a 'state approved' textbook'? Well, being approved by a state that condones the likes of the San Fransicko gay parade, where there was "full disclosure" of genitals and oral sex in public, doesn't give me much reassurance! Get back to basics of math, reading, and spelling! Knowing about Islam, how to put on a condom and "fisting" will get the kids NOWHERE! "

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BabsC wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:33 AM:

" Social Studies Guru wrote on Nov 7, 2007 9:46 AM: " The Muslims of the Middle Ages were some of the MOST advanced people of the time. Actually I believe those that were advanced were being squeezed like a sponge by the Muhommadans of the time. See which culture actually put the advances to use by all people and not just those with male sex organs or those with the most swords and the bloodiest killers. Irish Monks helped a little too as far as preserving knowledge while other men launched killing conquests of their neighbors. "

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Lodian wrote on Nov 8, 2007 7:36 AM:

" To: to NSN lodian: God might forget you? Is that really what you believe? "

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iWhere are the Lodi pastors? wrote on Nov 8, 2007 7:21 AM:

" Does anyone else notice this? Christian parents are concerned about the likely Islamic indoctrination of their kids in school, and the local Christian pastors have nothing to comment? No posts, no letter to the editor, no voiced concern at the school board meeting (or were any pastors even there?). "

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BatMan wrote on Nov 8, 2007 7:20 AM:

" Why is it that individual expression of Christianity is not protected as freedom of religion or speech and satan worshiping (islam) is forced on our kids in school? Where are our wonderful communists (liberal democrats) and the aclu? If this book did the same with Christianity, there would be law suits flying everywhere. It would headline all the leftist news. "

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Jeffersonian wrote on Nov 8, 2007 7:01 AM:

" Just feel lucky that there is still a school in CA, which is teaching courses in english. Having a politically correct "christianity is evil and islam is good" spin is par for the course in communist CA these days. The only thing more mainstreamed is that homosexuality is more than normal its even more healthy than heterosexuality. "

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Gurk Steel MacGuintey wrote on Nov 8, 2007 6:56 AM:

" These TCI people are filthy hate-America communists -- as are MOST of the leftist vermin who infect our public school systems across the nation. These vile and seditious scum downplay the threat to our way of life posed by rampaging muslims on Jihad because they see in the jihadis an ally to help them achieve their ideological dream of the destruction of western civilization and the "bringing down" of the United States. There will be plenty of walls to put these traitors up against when the real revolution comes. Keep your powder dry, boys! "

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Contributions of Christianity wrote on Nov 8, 2007 6:42 AM:

" Why is there no corresponding chapters on the Contributions of Christians to World Civilization? Jesus the Son of God? The Teachings of Jesus? The Spread of Christianity Throughout the Roman Empire and Beyond? The Impact of the Islamic Crusades on Christendom? We all know why, don't we? It would not be "politically correct", since today is the day for the elites in the state department of education to minimize and marginalize Christianity--all under the guise of "education". "

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buck wrote on Nov 8, 2007 5:42 AM:

" to islam .I have read the quoran and bible and have determined they were written by different beings. The bible is 66 books written TRU 40 different men, in 3 different languages, on three different contenents over a peroid of 1500 years and yet it is really one measage direct from God to man. The quran however came from a fallen angle to a fallen man and in no way represents the true teachings of the one true God. "

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Concerned wrote on Nov 8, 2007 5:17 AM:

" I don't think many of you understand the extent to which the content of American school text-books have become hostage to the vetting of Muslim-advocacy groups. My daughter's 8th grade text-book was also heavily laden with Islamic dawa. Christianity and other faiths in it were portrayed only briefly, and with the objectivity one would expect from a secular text. The section on Islam was considerably longer and was unmistakable advocacy. I wish I had the courage of Mrs Self to challenge the erosion of objectivity in our school text-books. "

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BobC wrote on Nov 8, 2007 5:08 AM:

" Parents would be better off, to homeschool. What I read in the news, schools are teaching things that should be taught in the home....get it on, with science, math, spelling, english...get these kids ready for future jobs, because our government has allowed our manufacturing jobs to go overseas....they cannot rely on those jobs anymore! "

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JWD wrote on Nov 8, 2007 2:51 AM:

" Government "state" schoole is just that, to educate means to indoctrinate. The problem? That so many THEORIES and BELIEFS are taught as absolutes and as fact. Kids leave these indoctrination mills "believing" they KNOW something when in reality all they have been taught to do is how to PERFORM...and what to believe, falsely believing that the performance (for the grades) somehow equates to intelligence. A, B, C, D......now I said my abc's tell me what you think of me. Socialized CO-dependency... The norm? Emotional and Spiritual sickness. "

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Andrew Whitehead wrote on Nov 8, 2007 2:05 AM:

" It's sad that in America today, a parent can be called "xenophobic" simply for raising questions about how Islam is taught in the classroom. The majority of history teachers today, I believe, are very liberal and that is reflected in their work. They neither understand Islam, it's religious laws and codes, or they misinterpret them. Islam is the only religion in America today which can not be critically analyzed. Why is this? Think about it. Andrew Whitehead Director, Anti-Council on American-Islamic Relations www.anti-cair-net.org Stockton, CA USA "

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Tim wrote on Nov 8, 2007 1:20 AM:

" We should teach the truth of Islam in schools. That its based on war and apartheid. Million have dies at it hands, million more abused and subjected. We forget that North Africa was considered southern Europe or that Turkey was a Christian country. Islam has neither respect for any other religion, nor respect for people freedoms or needs. No religion places murders ahead of others in heaven, yet suicide bombers are the ONLY ones guaranteed a place in heaven. Islam is based on conquests and force so we should also teach that Sharia has NO place in the West. "

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watcher wrote on Nov 8, 2007 1:18 AM:

" Do you want to know what islam is up to here in the West / USA? Go to www.thereliogionofpeace.com BEWARE...islam has an agenda!!! "

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Religion of Peace? wrote on Nov 8, 2007 1:15 AM:

" The truth unfortunately is not being portrayed in our school's textbooks on history. Jihad doesn't mean inner struggle like the textbooks portray. It literally means maim or kill or the infidel if he/she does not submit.And if he/she does then their status becomes inferior and is subject to pay tax. Most parents have NOT read the Quran. Go to FAITHFREEDOM.ORG "

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G E H wrote on Nov 8, 2007 1:13 AM:

" The only hope is to dismantle government schools. Homeschool your kids and abolish government schools. "

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Justa Thought wrote on Nov 8, 2007 12:59 AM:

" Something that has NOT been mentioned on this board is: Islam was chased OUT of Europe and it was thought a REAL GOOD THING to do - why do you suppose THAT would be true? Oh, that's right - THAT isn't taught any more. "

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Justa Thought wrote on Nov 8, 2007 12:58 AM:

" How about this: Christian students should learn as much about Islam as Muslim students know about Christianity. HISTORY should be the TRUTH. Not as I see it, or you see it - but just the TRUTH. You do NOT have to know all about Catholics to understand Galileo and his excommunication. "

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welder wrote on Nov 7, 2007 11:52 PM:

" Ask an employee that use to work for Interlake/Lodi Fab that use to be in Lodi about the day when 9/11 happened and how they had to deal with Islam!!! You will find that Lodi is infiltrated with supporters of terrorism! Watch your backs people! "

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TC wrote on Nov 7, 2007 11:29 PM:

" I'm glad she's taking a stand. In TX, my son was taught about Islam but nothing on Judaism or Christianity. He was told that would be teaching religion, but he was still required to learn the 5 pillars of Islam.?? I wish I had home schooled.If you teach one, you have to teach all (factually). "

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god is an anachronism wrote on Nov 7, 2007 11:04 PM:

" I want any children I might have to be exposed to as many different religions as possible in an academic setting, so he or she will see them all as equally obsolete petrified superstitions of the long dead "

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Chris wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:57 PM:

" In response "to her" Children who are home schooled are better socialized, score higher on any form of testing and go on to achieve much more than kids in public schools. this can be verified by a little research. Also the idea that islam is a religion of peace is nothing but a lie. Read the Koran yourself and you will see. It teaches that killing non muslims is ok, beating your wife is fine, killing kids who dont do what you say is cool. yea this sounds peaceful. "

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Dan wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:55 PM:

" You go girl! We all have to start fighting this insanity. Islam is brought to you complements of Satan, and many that run our public schools have sold their souls without knowing that they are embracing evil. "

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Chris wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:42 PM:

" I have read the Koran cover to cover and I will tell you it is first and foremost a teaching of hate and violence. While Christianity has been MISUSED to justify violence islam is rightly interpreted to justify killing, rape, wife beating, and many other horrible things. This is not something I want taught to my kids. I thought religion should not be taught by the state or is that only Christianity. "

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ann merison wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:38 PM:

" Re "we believe Jesus isour Savior" Surah 19:88-93 denies God has a Son; 3:59 deniesJesus was God; 4:157 says Jesus was not crucified; 4:171 says there is no atonement for sin in Jesus. Further: Surah 2:106 says the teachings in theQuran can be changed any time! (Such a deal!) Info for other readers: Be aware thatthe Quran denies freedom of religion (Surah 4:89); denies Freedom of speech (Surah 9:12); denies the freedom to question Islam (Surah 5:102); denies women's rights (Surah 4:34) and denies racial equality (Surah 3:106-107). So there ya go. Ann "

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You Be The Judge wrote on Nov 7, 2007 9:52 PM:

" 6th grade studies/Ancient Hebrews=9pgs 6th grade studies/Struggle to Preserve Judaism=6pgs. Total 15 pgs. 7th grade/Christianity=13 pgs 7th grade/Reformation=9 pgs 7th grade/Impact of Reformation=9 pgs Total 31 pgs 7th grade/Mohammad=9 pgs 7th grade/Teachings of Islam=11 pgs 7th grade/Muslim contributions=13 pgs 7th grade/Influence of Islam on West Africa= 9 pgs Total 42 pgs. According to the State Guidelines on teahing religion it is to be balanced & objective (in the case of Islam)and it covers them in approx. the same depth. "

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what? wrote on Nov 7, 2007 9:29 PM:

" Can someone state exactly what is in this book that was offensive? "

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galt mother wrote on Nov 7, 2007 9:04 PM:

" My daughter brought home that same textbook & I too am concerned about this subject. When I went to school, we did not learn about different religions. I took a class at the college level by choice. My daugher is a Christian and I feel the Muslims and thier religions are being forced down our throats. Doesn't anyone remember 9-11? These people are unwanted here. The last thing we want is to learn more about them. "

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real facts wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:48 PM:

" Islam Nov 7 3:32 PM:the concern is that once you read it, you will buy that it is of God, via it's peaceful aspects. which just by theoretical thinking alone,is impossible. God would not give his word, then completely change it's intent, which is exactly what islam did. God didn't change his mind in 600AD. for thousands of years before islam, God spelled out that he would come HIMSELF. he did. now islam says he didn't, and changes history by saying that islam now represents God. not true, because islam is 180 degree's opposite of what the O.T. taught. "

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rael facts wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:25 PM:

" Rehman con't---> you refer to the old testament when referencing what your religion has tried to slide past you, but what you may not know (or do), and you may not have been told (purposefully) is that "allah" is NEVER mentioned in the O.T. never. not once. same with mohammed. never. not once. this will be hard for you, but if you really want the unbiased truth, google it. islam was multiple Gods before mohammed. how long had the O.T. been around before mohammed thought he could circumvent it? murderer's and child rapist's aren't prophets "

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real facts wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:19 PM:

" Rehman wrote Nov 7 3:09 PM: hate has nothing to do with it, history does. your current position was built on a lie, by excluding history. if you knew when "allah" showed up on the "history map", you would know it was post multiple pagan gods that muslims followed. multiples, not one. history shows that muhammed decided to give allah a face, by self proclaiming himself a prophet. you can excuse easily that mohammed was NOT a prophet, because he killed and raped people. con't----> "

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citizen wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:17 PM:

" muslims havent contributed anything to this world since the 9th century. Lets not all pretend that they are civilized people. We all know the world would be way better off without them, but no one has the guts to say it. "

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Allen wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:14 PM:

" Lodi Unified (and Lincoln Unified) uses this adoption because it is EXCELLENT!! It explains all the major religions in a concise, easily understood way. There is no proseltyzing, just information. Educated people know this. The Selfs are behaving in a backwoods manner. Time to smartin' up. "

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non_contributor wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:05 PM:

" Soc. Studies Guru, if you did your homework you would find that Islam contributed zip to the world. The only thing early Islam was good at was to "lift" any new thing that was happening in their many subjugated areas and say it was an Islam discovery; simply because those inventors, scientists, etc. were under the sword of Islam. Were those "great men" of Islam REALLY muslims? (see http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/freethinkersislam.htm) Learn how GREEK SCIENCE passed to the Muslims (see http://www.aina.org/books/hgsptta.htm#ch112) Where did Islam acquire its architecture? (see http://www.fisicx.com/quickreference/art/architecture.htm) Where did "Arabic" numerals- REALLY come from?(http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/HistTopics/Arabic_numerals.html) "

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David D wrote on Nov 7, 2007 7:20 PM:

" LodiJoe: People want "god" removed from the pledge and currency because not everyone believes in god. Most of these same people take no issue with history classes teaching students about religion and their historical and cultural significance. There is a large difference between teaching about religion as a fact and teaching about its historical significance. "

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Pist off wrote on Nov 7, 2007 7:07 PM:

" If these parents are throughing a fit over Islam, then maybe Muslims should through a fit when there kids are learning about Christianity, Buddhism, and other religions. Its a two way street. "

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haahhahhahhahaha wrote on Nov 7, 2007 6:55 PM:

" AMerica was not founded on chrisianity "

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Lomo wrote on Nov 7, 2007 6:35 PM:

" The discussion of school vouchers came up in this forum. When the private schools are required to provide EXACTLY the same services as public schools (ie speech, special ed etc.) then I would vote for a voucher system. Private schools don't deserve public monies until they can provide access to ALL students. "

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Pam T. wrote on Nov 7, 2007 6:27 PM:

" To Metric Time: I, too, would like my children to be left behind! My children attend activities at the Buddhist Church, the Baptist Church and the Lutheran Church as well as the Catholic Church and various independent churches. They are learning about the right of every person to their own beliefs. I believe we were guarenteed that by our Bill of Rights. Education is the key to tolerance!! "

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parent wrote on Nov 7, 2007 5:57 PM:

" To "it's just a book" If it is just a book then a word is just a word... Think about the words that may be used and the meaning and feeling behind it. Same with the book Yes my high school-er remembers the book from Jr high, he said "it's stupid" He did not like it at all. My 6th grader is studying ancient civilizations as part of life and how countries were formed it was all on religion. Just like America was found on Christianity. "

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Red Letter Christian wrote on Nov 7, 2007 5:10 PM:

" All this hating in religion's name is pathetic. Pay more attention to What Jesus WOULD do, which would be to treat other humans with tolerance and fairness. I'd worry more about educating your kids on how to function under the Golden Rule than by your rigid and paranoid rules. "

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realfraud wrote on Nov 7, 2007 4:52 PM:

" to muhammad who wrote on Nov 7, 2007 1:24 PM: Your a woman named Muhammad? 1 Kings 11:3 states that Prophet Solomon "...had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines:..." Do you know the age of each wife and the age of Prophet Solomon at the time of marriage? Do you know how many battles (wars) Prophet Solomon participated in? Are you attacking Arabian culture or the religion of Islam? Your "convert or be killed" notion is way off the mark. Research the Conquest of Makkah and the Battle of Badr. "

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A Lodi Mom wrote on Nov 7, 2007 4:34 PM:

" Another thing that shocked me at the Board Meeting last night was that there was unanimous agreement on the awarding of $58,500 to teach martial arts in the afterschool program...$58,500!! Is there not something better for which the money could be used? "

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PST wrote on Nov 7, 2007 4:28 PM:

" Metric Time, You encapsulated the whole problem. And the educrats wonder why there is a declining enrollment! "

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Brian Young wrote on Nov 7, 2007 4:25 PM:

" "Religous Literacy-What every American Needs to Know and Doesn't" is a book by Stephen Prothero who is the chair of the religion department at Boston University. The book is basically a primer on the major world religions.The book reveals that United States is one of the most religious places on earth, but it is also a nation of shocking religious illiteracy. One fact brought out is that only 10 percent of American teenagers can name all five major world religions and 15 percent cannot name any. "

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Hi-Me wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:51 PM:

" To realfraud, At what point did the Self's say that they were Muslim scholars?????? I have looked over the article's and can't find that comment. All one has to do is open the History Alive book and see for themselves. Oh yea, they can also use this new tool called the INTERNET. It's great you should try it. Do some research for yourself and you might find yourself on the RIGHT (sorry) the other side of the fence:) "

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wellwell wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:43 PM:

" While Ms Self is in the process of defining words, she might want to look up xenophobia. I think it might apply here. "

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to NSN lodian wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:35 PM:

" The girls are home schooled and get there degree and yes they are very smart and they do what they want and you would never believe it but women control the whole family and thats what the old testament preaches so get to know God before God forgets you. "

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Islam Jesus CONT- wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:33 PM:

" He will get to marry have kids and live a normal life and die of old age and the people will have the opportunity to bury him an honorable death and after this time will come end of life then we all come out of the grave to be judged by God... Its a big fear for humans to read the quran and i will tell you that since i know u are fear of actually liking what you hear so good luck....... "

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Islam wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:32 PM:

" I promise you,its will be the greatest Text you ever read i will let u know the quran is about Jesus (Isa) from the start it confirms the Injel and the Torah and his first miracle was birth then speaking as a new born then the people try to kill him God takes him 2 the heavens were he is alive and well waiting for Gods commandment to have him come down and asking God not to kill us all and God granting him this so he can finish his job.when he comes down all problems will parish. "

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Islam wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:22 PM:

" WE all beleive Jesus is our savior and we believe in all past prophets... Now I dare you to have no hate and read the Quran dont read it while deaf dumb and blind read it as you would read a text book for a major test read it and sink in each verse and ask if you dont know. "

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SSG wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:19 PM:

" Check out the standards for yourself: http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/hstgrade6.asp http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/hstgrade7.asp Religion may be taboo today, but it was SOOOOO important during ancient and medieval times. There is no denying religions role in history. HISTORY: If we don't learn from it we might be doomed to repeat it. "

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SSG wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:15 PM:

" The first school is home and a suggestion to all parents would be to support the reasonable efforts of a quality school district like Lodi. They are using a state approved textbook. Have a conversation at home with your child that sounds something like, "You teacher is doing his/her job, BUT this is what we believe...." Did the Selfs ever ask their son what he was learning in sixth grade social studies? "

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Allah says wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:12 PM:

" It's never too early to educate youngsters. Have them visit www.thereligionofpeace.com for graphic details of the loving tolerance of Islam. It should be required reading in all schools. Don't believe me? see for yourself - www.thereligionofpeace.com visit first, then comment. "

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SSG wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:11 PM:

" Here is another state standard (6.7.7)for sixth grade: Describe the circumstances that led to the spread of Christianity in Europe and other Roman territories. The Lodi News should have included these facts in their reporting. Christianity is a big part of sixth grade. What are the Selfs complaining about? "

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Rehman wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:09 PM:

" Deaf Dumb and blind. Thats the hate speaking. Its ok God (ALlah) Predicted in the Injel (old testament) By Yahya (john) who was Isa (jesus) COusin you really think there names were jesus, john, david, noah, these are not the original names get real and find the truth dont make things up that fit your agenda Deaf Dumb Blind....May ISA SAVE US FROM THE DAJAL (ANTI-CHRIST) FUnny we believe the same but just extras (no facts but news storys) are added by humans not God "

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SSG wrote on Nov 7, 2007 3:08 PM:

" Here is CA State Standard 6.7.6: (part of the sixth grade curriculum) Note the origins of Christianity in the Jewish Messianic prophecies, the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as described in the New Testament, and the contribution of St. Paul the Apostle to the definition and spread of Christian beliefs (e.g., belief in the Trinity, resurrection, salvation). "

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LodiJoe wrote on Nov 7, 2007 2:44 PM:

" I find it perplexing that there are people out there that want God removed from the pledge of allegiance and our currency have NO problem with our schools shoving Islam in our childrens brains... "

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NSN Lodian wrote on Nov 7, 2007 2:43 PM:

" To Chuck: The "norm" is not ME .. the norm is traditional American culture.... To JD: Yes, using the term STEW instead of MELTING POT would meet the liberal metaphorical agenda nicely because you can drop a carrot into a pot of stew, and it remains a carrot. You can't drop a piece of metal into a smelt without it assimilating into the liquid metal. Therefore, the carrot is a non-american culture... you can drop it into the STEW that is america, and it can remain a carrot. "

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Chuck wrote on Nov 7, 2007 1:53 PM:

" NSN Lodian... and who is to say ehat the "norm" is. you? "

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real facts wrote on Nov 7, 2007 1:35 PM:

" i am not saying what korina self did was wrong straight across the board by taking her son out of school, but i never shielded my kids from other religions. in fact, i wanted them to know what others believe, so that they can know WHY they believe the way they do. for that reason, i purposefully sent my kids to public school. i monitored what came their way. i love the fact that my kids are able to talk to anybody, about anything, and still maintain their integrity "

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to teacher from out of area wrote on Nov 7, 2007 1:28 PM:

" good question, was wondering the same thing....is Self against the teaching or for it????? Status quo reporting from Lodinews. "

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muhammad wrote on Nov 7, 2007 1:24 PM:

" 7th graders are too young to learn about the prophet muhammad's treatment of woman and war acts. He had how many wives??? His enemies either converted or were killed. His youngest wife, Aisha, was 9 years old who he married at the ripe age of 53. Research this man and you will be so disgusted. As a woman, I fear the day a muslim gets any power on any level in this country. "

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JD wrote on Nov 7, 2007 1:16 PM:

" NSN Lodian: There has been a subtle trend to replace the term "melting pot" with "stew", at least at the university level. I'm sure you'll understand the implications. "

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JD wrote on Nov 7, 2007 1:14 PM:

" My understanding is that the book in this series that is geared towards 6th graders focuses heavily on Christianity. Does Houston use the History Alive! series for its 6th graders? If so, this seems rather like a tempest in a teapot. It does seem odd, though, to hear Richard McIntyre talking about religious bigotry . . . "

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Metric Time System wrote on Nov 7, 2007 1:08 PM:

" I want my child to be left behind. Left behind of the social engineering, left behind of the politics that supersede education, left behind of a system that worships "the new tolerance" and not traditional values, left behind of no parental notification, left behind of a top heavy administration and paid consultants that contribute nothing to the classroom, left behind of under-performing schools that will never perform, and left behind of an education that will leave them behind the rest of the world. "

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realfraud wrote on Nov 7, 2007 12:58 PM:

" Author James W. Loewen wrote a book called "Lies My Teacher Told Me." The title of the book speaks for itself. We've been lied to all of our lives. My question is: Is the fact that your kid was studying Islam the only time you've ever considered taking such a radical stance against the contents of your child's textbooks and what makes you such clerics of the Islamic faith that you can declare fatwas on the real definition of Jihad and Shariah? "

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libraryguy wrote on Nov 7, 2007 12:55 PM:

" I'm constanly amused -- yet appalled -- by people who think that their own beliefs/biases should inform the reading habits and instruction of others. That is clearly what is happening in this case. You cannot study this period of history without studying the importance of ALL the major religions of the time. I state that confidently as a history major in college. "

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SSG wrote on Nov 7, 2007 12:33 PM:

" On Oct. 31st 1517, Martin Luther nailed 95 These on the Church door in Wittenburg which were arguements against the Catholic Church. The Reformation began. Today, the Christian Church has Lutheran, Baptist, Episcopalian, Methodist, and the list goes on of denominations. How do we teach this important event without reference to religion. It's HISTORY. "

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To NSN Lodian cont'd wrote on Nov 7, 2007 12:32 PM:

" Once they are "married off", are they are too busy? How can we help them complete their education? What happened to the rights that ALL of us have in this country? Liberals don't want to hear THIS truth. Why do liberals complain about "womens rights" and support a culture that hates women and does not allow them to have the same rights? How many Pakistani heritage women/students do you see driving in Lodi? Shopping? Why? Where is the National Organization of Women on this issue? NOW has a deafening silence. "

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SSG wrote on Nov 7, 2007 12:30 PM:

" Galileo's revolutionary scientific discoveries were opposed by the Catholic Church. How can religion be avoided? The Muslim scholars of the Middle Ages preserved the writings of the Greeks and Romans? Those writings inspired Renaissance artists. How does one teach what a Muslim is without mentioning what their basic beliefs are? "

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rehman wrote on Nov 7, 2007 12:28 PM:

" Not one of these bloggers really know Islam except what you here what a human being has done in name of religion. Religions dont kill, people kill in name of religions and lets not argue which religion has killed more people since no one here has there facts straight except deaf dumb and blind hate.InshAllah (God Willing). Jesus Will save all of us from the hell fire. "

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To NSN lodian wrote on Nov 7, 2007 12:27 PM:

" AGREE! Don't you find it unusual that you rarely see Lodi Pakistani girls beyond the 6th grade? I noticed that the best students tend to be Pakistani girls, but when you look at the list of graduating high school seniors, you don't see their names. An educator needs to study this to learn how we are failing our Pakistani-American girls! I think I have an answer. Have they been selected by the parents of another family to marry their son? "

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SSG wrote on Nov 7, 2007 12:27 PM:

" History cannot be taught without reference to religion. The Aztecs thought Hernan Cortez was a god when he arrived in Mexico. This faith led to that culture's demise. How does one teach that without referencing religious belief? "

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SSG wrote on Nov 7, 2007 12:24 PM:

" Chapters 2, 3, 5, 6, 11, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, and 35 of the TCI: History Alive book make very specific Christian references. Several of the chapters are about Christian topics. "

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Social Studies Guru wrote on Nov 7, 2007 12:16 PM:

" Christianity is a huge part of the 7th grade standards. Go to the state department of education website and look them up. "

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NSN Lodian wrote on Nov 7, 2007 12:01 PM:

" CHUCK: "all of the Great wars began over the word of god"..perhaps you have been reading the same textbood as the Self kids...World War I started when the Archduke Ferdinand was assasinated. Austria accused Serbia..and mutual protection treaties sucked all of Europe and the US into war. WWII Europe began because of Fascist and Nazi goals to dominate Europe. WWII Pacific began because Japan believed it had the right to conquer Asia and unify it under Emperor Hirohito which began by invading China, and ended after being defeated by the US...So where is GOD in those conflicts? "

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NSN Lodian wrote on Nov 7, 2007 11:44 AM:

" ..and lastly. I find it kind of ironic that I see many "soccer moms" sending their daughters off to school dressed inappropriately, while at the same time taking a liberal stance in defending Islamic Extremists whose goal is to enslave women - prevent them from being promiscuous and provocative - and impose 5th century rule. Doesn't anyone else see the irony in all of that? "

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NSN Lodian wrote on Nov 7, 2007 11:41 AM:

" To CHUCK... when you put a chunk of metal into a "melting pot" it assimilates into the overall liquid metal... joins the "metalurgic culture" of the pot, while still adding its unique characteristics. In today's America, cultures want to jump into the melting pot without having to melt down into the culture that is AMERICA. They think they should be able to jump in and not MELT. "

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NSN Lodian wrote on Nov 7, 2007 11:39 AM:

" The core of this matter is BALANCE. The issue is with the unbalanced presentation of ISLAM as it relates to Medieval times, and the unbalanced discussion of CHRISTIANITY. The crusades were a battle between these two religious ideologies. As I pointed out before, if a teacher were to use the word GOD in a christian context, there would be an outcry by liberal teachers and administrators throughout the district .. but a detailed discussion of ISLAM (that may even be inaccurate) is fully acceptable. That is odd to me. "

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GrannyAngel wrote on Nov 7, 2007 11:26 AM:

" I don't remember studying "world religions" as part of history. I thought as a college student you could choose to study theology. Why the change? Why not let families be families and leave the teaching of the "freedom" of religion, whatever that may be to them. I believe this is a product of state/national direction to push anti-war agendas and sugarcoat current events. "

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Richard McIntyre wrote on Nov 7, 2007 11:09 AM:

" Quit tampering with my posts. NOTE FROM EDITOR RICH HANNER: Richard, we deleted a post from you that violated our rule against potentially damaging innuendo. We haven't edited any of your posts. If you wish to discuss this, call me at 369-7035 or e-mail me directly at richardh@lodinews.com. "

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Chuck wrote on Nov 7, 2007 11:03 AM:

" What part of MELTING POT do you not understand???? ALL of us are from somewhere else.... "

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reminder wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:56 AM:

" The Self's are just asking parents to please make a decision for their child ~ as they have done. Parent's please parent. Unfortunately, parent's have left crucial choices to others. It's public school ~ accountable to "public and political" policies. There is plenty of curriculum out there ~ but without more parental involvement, things of this matter will continue to be a problem. "

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YHG wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:54 AM:

" Im going to put a pancake on my head. "

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To her wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:46 AM:

" I feel sorry for the kid, this kid is gonna grow up so sheltered and not now anything different in this world other than what his mom wants him to know, and nothing else that might actually broaden his knowledge of different things....what a shame!!! "

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To social studies guru 3 wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:40 AM:

" Discuss "maiming" as a public policy in these Muslim countries. Explain what would happen if your students were caught stealing, or talking in class. Learn about and experience cultures the way they REALLY are and teach your students the truth. Teach them what "cultural competence" is REALLY all about. Teach why so many people all over the world want to move to America or Europe. Why is that! Explain why so many millions of people want out of religious regimes. As an honest educator you must tell your students the REAL truth. "

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To social studies guru 2 wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:34 AM:

" Tell your students about the Shariah murders which are part of daily life. Crimes not by "criminals" but by the "modesty police". Honestly discuss these issues. If you are a woman than you can conduct interviews ONLY with permission of the local religious leaders. Why are people in most Muslim cultures afraid of freedom of speech, religion, assembly, the press? "

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real facts wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:32 AM:

" Richard McIntyre your post Nov 7 8:42 AM; your joking, right? did you just insinuate that what korina self did was akin to "extremeism"? look, i know that your heart has melted because of your extremeist islam high five views, but there is a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE between speaking up about something you don't think is fair, and hunting down and killing innocent people just because they don't agree with islam. you have become one sick human being "

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It's just a book!! wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:32 AM:

" Of all the complaints made about this textbook, the one that really annoys me is the 'undue amount of attention to the teachings of Islam'. Why are parents so threatened by the Muslim religion when it is taught to their children? It's ridiculous to bring this issue up with the school board in order to shield kids from learning about other religions, namely Islamic. I think that taking her son from school and placing him into a bubble of independent study does nothing for him. What does she want, books written about Christianity? There'd be an outcry about that, too! "

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To social studies guru wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:27 AM:

" Have you visited a Muslim country? Try visiting Saudi Arabia and tell me about your students about experiences. Try visiting Mecca and share experiences and observations with your students. Interveiew some Muslim women, if you dare! You know that they will be punished for talking to you, unless an adult male gives her permission to speak and censors all of her responses. "

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Look thoroughly wrote on Nov 7, 2007 10:23 AM:

" Look at more than one book. The sixth grade book has similar chapters on Christianity, Buddhism, and other religions. Cassell is right on -- knowledge is power! "

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Social Studies Guru wrote on Nov 7, 2007 9:46 AM:

" The Muslims of the Middle Ages were some of the MOST advanced people of the time. Columbus, Magellan, and other explorers from Europe would not have been able to explore the world with such success if it were not for the navigational contributions of the Arab world. What is next? Ban the teaching of Algebra in our public schools because it was invented by Muslims? None of the state adopted textbooks (TCI, Glencoe, Holt, etc.) are teaching any 12 years olds to be little Muslims or Buddhists. "

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Social Studies Guru wrote on Nov 7, 2007 9:46 AM:

" 7th grade standards focus on the Middle Ages, which cannot be studied without focus/emphasis on the role and importance of religion, whether it be Christianity in Europe, Islam in the Arabian Peninsula or Africa, Buddhism in China or Japan. The TCI/History Alive 7th grade textbook is broken up into 35 chapters. ONLY Chapters 8 and 9 speak specifically to Muhammad and the basic beliefs of Islam. Chapter 7 deals with the geography of the Arabian Peninsula. Chapter 11 focuses on the contributions of Muslims (i.e. Algebra, anatomy, and astronomy/navigation.) Chapter 12 is the Crusades. "

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Social Studies Guru wrote on Nov 7, 2007 9:41 AM:

" Judaism and Christianity are a major part of the 6th grade social studies CA state standards. Islam, Buddhism, Confucianism, traditional African religions, etc. are part of the 7th grade state standards. The two grades are a continuem package of ancient and medieval world history. Christianity is a reoccuring theme in the 7th grade standards as it part of the Roman Empire (HSS 7.1), a HUGE part of Medieval Europe (HSS 7.6) and the role of the Catholic Church in peoples' lives, the Reformation (HSS 7.9). READ the state standards, BOTH 6th and 7th grades. "

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Wiley wrote on Nov 7, 2007 9:26 AM:

" Way to go Korina ... you can bet your bottom dollar if there were the same references/attention to the Christian Religion, the Liberals would be having a "hissy fit", There would be Atheist law suits by the dozens. Keep up the good work. "

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Dr. Harrison wrote on Nov 7, 2007 9:06 AM:

" The State Department of Education, and its Board, are terrified of screaming Muslims and have and will do anything to appease them, hence this pitiful textbook. "

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Richard McIntyre wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:42 AM:

" First, an examination of your child's textbook the second you found out he was learning about Islam. Next, a non-participation from history class. Then, a complete removal from the school to escape ridicule. Finally, a move to incite (inform) parents to follow suit. What's the definition of an extremist? Your whole campaign is bigoted and eccentric unless you push for a complete overhaul of every textbook in circulation. Good luck! "

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Time for vouchers wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:38 AM:

" Schools that fail parents should be subject to fair market competition. To force people to pay for what they don't want is wrong. Taxes are payment. Too much emphasis on tolerance is ruining our American culture. Schools need to focus on the basics. Support vouchers and change the union districts for ever. "

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Teacher from out of the Area wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:38 AM:

" This article does not fully answer a question I have: Does Mrs. Self oppose the book because she feels it contains inaccuracies about the history of Islam, or because she feels there is too much focus on Islam? I do not ask this to start an argument; I just feel the article was not clear on this point. "

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Trish wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:30 AM:

" Thanks for the info. My son also has this book. I just asked him about the class. He really liked learning about the knights, but could care less about Muhammad. I am going to read this book. But just skimming through it I was not thrilled. Keeping an open mind for now........ "

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Ok let me get this straight.... wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:23 AM:

" She tells her kid not to participate in his school lessons, makes him the laughing stock of the school, then pulls him out of the school and she is still complaining about a book for a school that her kid doesn't even attend? This woman needs to get a life. I see nothing wrong with learning about different religions and she seems to be the one harming her child. "

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Supporter 2 wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:20 AM:

" My sisters friend had a finger amputated by the police because she talked to a boy who her parents did not approve. Girls are taught that they must drop out of school at an early age. The religious leaders don't want them asking questions. This is the Shariah we know about and the Twin Towers is an example of Jihad. Thats also not in the textbook. "

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Supporter wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:19 AM:

" Thank you Korina! My sister is Turkish and is a Muslim. The District should invite her to tell her experiences about Shariah laws! She has the scars to prove it. Women in Turkey are allowed to drive, go to school and work outside of the home because Shariah laws are illegal in only that Muslim counyty. Women who go to school, drive or work are punished by the Shariah police. If the textbook is to be accurate it should discuss the killings and maimings of women that are the punishment for breaking these rules about "modesty". "

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Max Stanfield wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:13 AM:

" The Self's are completely correct. This stuff was jammed down our throats by CAIR with the complicity of the PC State Board of Education who was sucking up to them. "

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T&C wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:04 AM:

" There are more than 2000 or so muslims in Lodi and at least most can speak english, so what's the big deal? Why don't you concentrate your efforts on getting some new administrators on the board that aren't afraid or the big mamoo Huyett and his old fashioned ideas? "

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Joe Silva, Sr. wrote on Nov 7, 2007 8:04 AM:

" Lodi is full of outstanding Christian Schools where any metion of religions other than Christianity would be followed by NOT GOOD FOR YOUR SOUL. Instead of attempting to change an awesome public school district why not support one more to your religious preferences??? "

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A Lodi Mom wrote on Nov 7, 2007 7:36 AM:

" I was at the Board Meeting last night and was shocked by Ms. Cassel's statement. Is it really necessary to learn the Islamic religion in the detail that was described by Ms. Self in order to "understand the people"? Is it okay to change historical fact to understand the people as well? I am appalled. "

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Anything To Make The Papers Or TV! wrote on Nov 7, 2007 7:25 AM:

" Why not get folks from EVERY culture and religion and lets hack away at every book students read from at school! This is a sad story about a sat person who is simply seeking attention and LNS is giving her that attention. There will always be things in life we disagree with! "

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Millswood Parent wrote on Nov 7, 2007 7:23 AM:

" To Korina Self and family, I wish I knew how to contact you to find a petition to sign. I too have read the textbook and know it to be one sided. I fully support your efforts! "

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Chuck wrote on Nov 7, 2007 7:15 AM:

" All of the Great wars began over the word of "god"....... "

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killio wrote on Nov 7, 2007 7:05 AM:

" Nothing will change. Islam is taking over and the sheepel and govt don't want to do anything about it. Be prepared for the dhimmah and shraia law coming to a township near you. The irony is that those non Muslims most in support of this movement are the ones that are going to suffer the most under the new regulations. "

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