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Global warming is a natural cycle


Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:47 AM PDT

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In the era before the Pilgrims came here, the Vikings were sunbathing in Iceland and the "Brits" had wine vineyards in England.

Hint to Al "Makeover" Gore and California Attorney General Jerry Brown: That was global warming guys.

Planet Earth has 1500 year cycles of global warming. When our ancestors first arrived on the east coast, we were in global cooling mode. They froze already.

Let's listen to solar scientists rather than self-serving politicians. The sun is 99 percent-plus of the total mass in our solar system. From 1945-1975, earth's temperature raised six degrees "C." Oddly enough, the same thing happened on Mars.

So what do we do? Send Al Gore and Jerry Brown to Mars and tell the folks up there to quit driving their SUVs and to offset the future greenhouse emissions? I don't think so. What three letter word, rather than evil mankind, causes global warming? The answer is the SUN.

If I was a city being harassed by Jerry Brown about California's idiotic "Global Warming Law," I would counter sue and start a recall drive.

Larry Gullicksen
Lodi

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Daniel wrote on Aug 29, 2007 3:50 PM:

" Leonard: Thanks, once again. That's attention. If I were not a force to reckon with, you would not remember who I am. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 29, 2007 11:56 AM:

" The most important issue in the news is Eunice Friederich's report on the consequences of NAFTA. There is one anonymous blogger over there, plus me. Disinformed people think the global warming hoax is most important, and blog here, instead. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 28, 2007 6:25 PM:

" Small children are like that. They crave attention and it doesn't matter whether it is positive or negative. They just want the validation. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 28, 2007 2:06 PM:

" I see people take the time to criticize me. Thank you very much. Whether people say something respectful or disrespectful, it is still a form of validation. Ditto the John Birch Society. Warning: Usually the quality of a criticism is a measure for the speaker. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 28, 2007 1:59 PM:

" Eek: I don't know if you noticed or not, but I published a reference to the original manuscript that spawned the global warming hoax. Pretty hard to deny. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 28, 2007 9:59 AM:

" Chucky: You are welcome. "

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Chuck wrote on Aug 27, 2007 6:52 PM:

" again, thanks for playing... "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 27, 2007 11:24 AM:

" Chucky: You launched an ad hominen attack on Al Gore and I responded in kind against Rush Limbaugh. Neither maneuver has anything to do with the subject at hand which was kind of my point. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 26, 2007 7:07 PM:

" On February 1, 2007 the American Meteorological Society Council adopted a statement on climate change. The statement says, it is "consistent with the vast weight of current scientific understanding as expressed in assessments and reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, and the U.S. Climate Change Science Program." "

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eek wrote on Aug 26, 2007 6:37 PM:

" Daniel: the challenges, benefits, and consequences the world economy faces in relation to globalization and comparative advantage is no evidence global warming is a hoax. If you are concerned about China's economic impact on the US you should encourage our government to stop financing the Iraq war by borrowing from China, and encourage world trade to stop keeping the value of the Chinese currency so inappropriately low compared to the dollar which promotes Chinese exports to the US. "

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Chuck wrote on Aug 26, 2007 4:28 PM:

" Leonard, no where in your response was there anything that resembled a coherent thought, we all all dumber having to listen to it.. Thanks for playing... "

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eek wrote on Aug 26, 2007 2:55 PM:

" The non-political, scientific facts are clear: mankind has a significant impact on the world, its environment, and its climate. We, as members of mankind, can choose what that impact is and will continue to be. "

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eek wrote on Aug 26, 2007 2:54 PM:

" Daniel: The demographic categories you fall in are irrelevant to this discussion. Your choosing to post unsupported theories on these blogs and claiming they are facts does not make you a defender of the "regular class". "

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JohnBirch Spinning in His Grave wrote on Aug 26, 2007 11:42 AM:

" I heard that the Chinese Communist Party offers a "Chairman Mao Award" to foreigners who do a great service for the Party. Perhaps Daniel will nominate himself. "

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Daniel's Friends Handle Dissent wrote on Aug 26, 2007 11:38 AM:

" At least two leading environmental organizers have been prosecuted in recent weeks, and several others have received sharp warnings to tone down their criticism of local officials. One reason the authorities have cited: the need for social stability before the 2008 Olympics. "

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What Daniel is Fighting For wrote on Aug 26, 2007 11:32 AM:

" For the Chinese Communist Party, the political calculus is daunting. Reining in economic growth to alleviate pollution may seem logical, but the country’s authoritarian system is addicted to fast growth. Delivering prosperity placates the public, provides spoils for well-connected officials and forestalls demands for political change. A major slowdown could incite social unrest, alienate business interests and threaten the party’s rule. "

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What Daniel is Fighting For wrote on Aug 26, 2007 11:31 AM:

" Experts once thought Communist China might overtake the United States as the world’s leading producer of greenhouse gases by 2010, possibly later. Now, the International Energy Agency has said China could become the emissions leader by the end of this year, and the Netherlands Environment Assessment Agency said China had already passed that level.e "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 25, 2007 11:02 PM:

" Leonard: It is very important to understand how a president uses America's membership in the UN to justify war. This is how America has gone to war without a declaration of war from congress, ever since Korea. Instead, congress only approves funding. This is a big difference. I think it is fair to say that people criticize the war, but noone ever questions how Bush fought the war without a declaration of war from congress. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 25, 2007 10:59 PM:

" Leonard: On Bush and the UN, I answered your posts at www.lodinews.com/articles/2007/08/21/opinion/letters/ltr_neely_070821.txt. I would never question any statement about President Bush being a tyrant who has undermined the constitution. In your statement about the UN, you missed two very important points. One of them was used as an excuse by President Bush to justify war. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 25, 2007 10:55 PM:

" Leonard: You wrote: "I assume that you have conceded." I am not in the blogs for competition. If you think the blogs are for competition, then you must think there is a way to win or lose, and you must think that one person has to prove being better than another in some category of competition, like in track and field competition. In which category is one beter, the pole vault, or the 500 meter relay? Not me. I am here to share information. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 25, 2007 10:39 PM:

" Leonard: There isn't anything more American than the American Meteorologican Association. Don't you dare look in there! Also, the author above has a scientific approach. Don't you dare read his letter! In true science, egos do not dominate, conclusions are not pre-determined, if anyone has a complaint about a scientific conclusion, they are welcome to investigate, because all experimental results must be reproducable, and if anyone asks an intelligent question, they are not an idiot. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 25, 2007 10:34 PM:

" Leonard: The Colorado source? By any chance, would that be the Aspen Institute? Traitorous. Why would they accomodate Mikhail Gorbachev if they are not affiliated with the United Nations? "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 25, 2007 10:33 PM:

" Leonard: From my silence, you can assume anything you want. Truth is, I haven't checked the column. When I left, I accused you of lying, and I decided that I have some more adult people to communicate with. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 25, 2007 6:36 PM:

" Chuck: Or so says Mr Limbaugh when he is sober enough to speak. Fortunately most of us base our opinions on the actual scientific evidence and not on the flatulent oxycontin fueled babblings of a 400 pound Republican thought leader. "

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Chuck wrote on Aug 25, 2007 4:14 PM:

" Both of you..... Global warming, as we are led to believe by Mr. Gore, Does NOT exist, however the globe is currently in a warming trend.. "

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leonard wrote on Aug 25, 2007 1:17 PM:

" Daniel: From your silence, I am assuming that you have conceded my point about Bush and the UN on the War blog (http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2007/08/21/opinion/letters/ltr_neely_070821.txt#blogcomments) "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 25, 2007 10:46 AM:

" Nylodian: I think you have hit the nail on the head. In many ways, Daniel reminds me of the products of the Chinese political indoctrination system. He clings to his half baked JBS dogma like a communist cadre clinging to his little black book. No amount of evidence will ever convert him from the cult of the conspiracy. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 25, 2007 10:42 AM:

" Danielle regarding "lies":The main sources I have referenced on this blog are an American scientist who works in Colorado and the American Academy of Science. Therefore, if you had any desire to retain even a tiny modicum of credibility I would suggest you retract you accusatory post. Of course, if credibility mattered to you at all, you would probably retract all the posts and letters that have you have written in the last 6 months. "

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nylodian wrote on Aug 24, 2007 7:33 PM:

" I'd like humbly point out that there is a difference between "educating" and "indoctrinating". "Education" comes from a broad variety of authenticated facts and sources. "Indoctrination" comes from a specific, partisan ideology. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 24, 2007 4:11 PM:

" Leonard: LIE! The majority of persons you have referenced were foreign pseudo-scientists. A small percentage, by coincidence might have been American, but traitorous. Again, you should express your concerns in a publication. Otherwise, you are wasting my time. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 24, 2007 4:08 PM:

" Eek: Your remarks are a bit disrespectful, because you would prefer to accuse a person who has done a lot of research and uncovered a lot of information, rather than look at the crimes commited by an elite person. You are criticizing a member of the regular class who understands the crimes of the elite class. It is like you are accusing the district attorney of a crime that he is prosecuting in court. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 24, 2007 4:01 PM:

" Leonard (age 14) and eek: I only write on SERIOUS conspiracy FACTS. Learn to live with it. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 24, 2007 3:35 PM:

" Daniel: I am sure that the commissars of the Chinese Communist Party are deeply grateful to you for your tireless defense of their right to bury the world with the emissions from their dirty coal burning power plants and factories. Without defenders like you, it would be significantly more difficult for the Chinese to undercut American manufacturers and drive American factories out of business. "

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eek wrote on Aug 24, 2007 2:30 PM:

" Daniel: "Conspiracies" are unlawful acts and/or plots planned in secret. How could you have "conspiracy facts" (as opposed to theories) unless you were part of the conspiracy yourself? "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 24, 2007 1:01 PM:

" Danielle: To what UN Source are you referring to? All of the studies I have referred to have been done by American scientists. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 24, 2007 11:12 AM:

" Leonard: If you say America is in the front of technology and science, then why do you rely upon a UN source to promote your doomsday agenda? Why don't you refer to senior members of the AMERICAN meteorological Society? "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 24, 2007 10:36 AM:

" Danielle: As for "paid agents", that dog just don't hunt. I am not, after all, the one who regularly writes letters to the editor which so closely mirror the Chinese Communist Party's position on Global Climate Change that they are almost indistinguishable. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 24, 2007 8:50 AM:

" Leonard: 2 CORRECTIONs: You wrote "silly conspiracy theories." I only write on SERIOUS conspiracy FACTS. When you write "theory," you only expose how uninformed you are. When you write "silly" you show how close-minded is your ego. There are consequences for you condition. There is another possibility, that I am always alert to consider: You might be on a payroll, and know full well what you are doing. "

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Boxorox wrote on Aug 24, 2007 6:08 AM:

" Global Warming? - Naturally! "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 24, 2007 12:40 AM:

" Leonard: I am trying to teach you adult behavior of walking away from childish challenges. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 24, 2007 12:39 AM:

" Leonard: If I play in a sandbox with little children, I should expect childish games at play. The maturity of your remarks resembles a 7th grade student in middle school. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 24, 2007 12:25 AM:

" Leonard: I don't care what you rate my posts. Truth is: If I were gone, the global warming doomsday enthusiasts would find each other and mate. I think I've done a good job. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 23, 2007 7:00 PM:

" If one really wants to understand the Global Climate debate they must examine the economics of the situation. America is at the forefront of technological innovation. If new clean technologies are going to replace the dirty tech of the present, you can bet that those technologies will be developed and built here in America. China and Russia, on the other hand, are decades behind the US in this area. Is it any wonder that these powers and their allies will stop at nothing to prevent meaningful action on this problem? "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 23, 2007 6:50 PM:

" Daniel: Besides, you yourself have already retracted most of the points you have made in your letters. I still get a good laugh whenever I think about your infamous CFR/Rockefeller University petition, not to mention the amusing symmetry between your position and that of the Chinese Communist Party. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 23, 2007 11:52 AM:

" Leonard: If you think I am "dead wrong," you should publish, because I posted my opinion as a publication. I know all the issues with my letters, and with other peoples' letters. I'll give you the controversial information even. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 22, 2007 6:59 PM:

" Daniel: Your posts are accorded the respect they deserve. Well thought out posts that address the issue at hand and refer to facts receive a "Daniel". Ridiculous posts that hinge on silly conspiracy theories without regard to the facts earn a "Danielle". Most of your posts land somewhere in between. If, however, you really do crave respect, the road is open to you. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 22, 2007 6:22 PM:

" Jeff: And Ken tried to show off his knowledge of chemistry. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 22, 2007 6:21 PM:

" Jeff: Overall, people can't handle opinion letters that are exposed to the general public, when they identify the global warming hoax for what it is. I gave the score. I counted 4-to-1, beginning with the Kevin Jamieson letter, which belongs in the trash. Nobody has been able to touch a single one of the 4 letters, except they played around with them in the sandbox. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 22, 2007 6:17 PM:

" Jeff: I gave Leonard a general lesson on English vocabulary, and I wrote him a prescription for general disrespect for anyone that has something that he wants. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 22, 2007 6:16 PM:

" Jeff: While you were gone, a suggestion was made to send $5,000 away every year to some wasteful cause. I suggested someone could do that, and you can too; but, you already are. "

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Jeff wrote on Aug 22, 2007 2:12 PM:

" FYI. the "Jeff" that posted previously was a different "Jeff" than the "Jeff" that usually posts. That "Jeff" would be me. I haven't read any posts, except for Mark's humerous post about denial being a cycle. Hopefully he's somewhere in Colorado right now, but without reading the rest of the posts, I can only guess that Daniel is using fuzzy logic mixed with inane references. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:01 PM:

" Leonard: And I have posted a multitude of posts that explain that I will return disrespect in kind, by not responding, until you learn how to show respect. I'm not holding my breath. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 22, 2007 11:59 AM:

" Ken: Sorry. That was my post. Aug 21, 2007 8:19 PM. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:21 PM:

" Ken: You're kidding yourself about the CO2 vapors. Have you ever been inside a crowed room for an extended period of time. It could simply be a crowded church. People breathing, exhaling plenty of CO2 and consuming the O2. This occurs often, rather uncomfortable, but it is not poisonous. How many times have you heard people say that they were exposed to deadly CO2 vapors from going to church? "

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Ken wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:19 PM:

" Ken: People whose athsma is affected by coal plants, are probably more sensitive to pollutants than CO2. Coal contains sulfur, which will generate SO2 and sulfurous acid in the surrounding air. Have you ever smelled "rotten-eggs" around a chemical plant. I believe that is sulfonated hydrocarbon. Very very bad smell. H2S anybody? "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:15 PM:

" Leonard: In my post to Nylodian, do you see how I used the word "affected," and not "effected." This is the correct usage. "Effected" might mean that a contract goes into effect, in the sense that it is established and implemented. "Affected" means that there is an influence. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:13 PM:

" Ken and NyLodian: Climate and pollution are separate topics. You cannot relate one to another. Photochemical smog does not change the earth's temperature, affect the amount of rainfall, or change the barometer. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:11 PM:

" Nylodian: I am impressed that you listed NAFTA, CAFTA and every other "free trade" agreements. These are serious, and they are affecting us right now, lurking to do much worse. Thank you. Can you imagine if the US agreed upon a treaty that restricted Americans' ability to drive to work, fly airplanes, operate trucking and a rail system? ir is much more of a threat to US productivity than restricting harmful CO2 emmissions. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:20 PM:

" Ken: I don't know where you came from, but your opinion, "Whether GW is a hoax or not is not the point anymore," is nothing other than your opinion. If you don't believe me, then why don't you send a check for $5,000 or more to somebody? You wouldn't send the money to me, because I am not a member of the elite society that is fleecing you for the money. Take the money away from your children. Tell them that you sent the money away for a fictitious hoax. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:18 PM:

" Ken: I don't know what poisonous gases you've been breathing, but it sure was something. One thing is for sure: there is nothing wrong with the CO2 in the air. CO2 is villainous in higher concentrations. That's why we exhale it. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:15 PM:

" Leonard: I also seem to recall that you take issue with respect. I admit that you have suspended yoru disrespectful innuendo's for a few brief moments, long enough to try getting a response. Good luck. I encourage you to keep asking. Under no circumstance, however, should you even consider suggesting any form of appology in a public forum. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:10 PM:

" Leonard: Your post is random and disconnected. The reference to Jesus is that he is the only person I know who has ever commanded the weather to change. It has nothing to do with the question you asked, which is also contrived. I am not the person who needs scientific evidence, because you are the one that has an unjustified pseudo-scientific hoax. "

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nylodian wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:39 PM:

" I truly believe that NAFTA, CAFTA and every other "free trade" agreement is much more of a threat to US productivity than restricting harmful CO2 emmissions. Can humans control climate? Not yet. Can they IMPACT it? Absolutely. Why would we want future generations deal with an environmental crisis that we could prevent now? "

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Ken wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:26 PM:

" Boxorox? When was the CO2 level at 2000? I have never heard this, but I am always open to hearing new information. Where can I read about that? "

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Ken wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:58 AM:

" Daniel: you wrote that the problem with reducing CO2 emissions would reduce the productivity of the US, and that climate is god given. So God would rather have us poison our kids rather than lose productivity? Wow. "

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Ken wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:51 AM:

" Whether GW is a hoax or not is not the point anymore. CO2 emissions are POISONOUS to humans. Period. Anyone who would not want to reduce them has another agenda, and should try living in Maryland. Look at the Maryland area. This was featured on Real sports with Brian Gumble. They have 6 coal fired power plants in the area. The Schools have to plan their sports events AROUND the air quality because up to 60% of the students have asthma! Does anyone who believes in God thinks he wishes this to happen? Get a grip and wake up! "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:08 AM:

" Daniel: Funny that you should mention Jesus, given the fact that your position on Global Climate Change seems to be entirely faith based. I will now repeat my weekly call on you to supply ANY scientific evidence to support your position. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:57 AM:

" To paraphrase another poster, if humans could effect the atmosphere, you would see clouds of smog hanging over our major cities. "

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Boxorox wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:08 AM:

" What is at stake here is to understand that carbon dioxide in the earth's atmosphere really is not so powerful in that role to effect climate in the way that is suggested by the fanatics. Carbon dioxide has been as much as 2000ppm concentration in the atmosphere in the past (compared to 380ppm presently) but temperatures during such times were only 6 or 7 degrees higher during those periods than they are now. How does it equate that doubling the 380ppm level could possibly result in the same elevation of global average temperatures? It doesn't. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:16 AM:

" nylodian: The problem with accepting CO2 restrictions that will diminish the productivity of the USA, is that the UN is using the GW issue to obtain loyalty, and to equalize USA productivity with other nations. Our elite-class leaders, who consider their knowledge to be superior to that of mere "regular-class citizens," understand this plan full-well. I am a citizen who exercises my right to question my government, publicize, and campaign to influence votes. I am a very frustrated citizen, having followed a few interviews and statements from the "elite." "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:12 AM:

" nylodian: You wrote: "whether one believes in GW or not." This is important. Since climate is God-given, we miniscule little humans are not sufficiently well-gifted like Jesus to command the weather. continuted.... "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:08 AM:

" nylodian: Below, people have changed the subject from God-given climate, to human-induced pollution. I assure you that I am one that would advocate any cleaning-up the environment. I only address real problems. Below, I threw in a subject that noone around here has ever heard of before. It is a real environmental problem. People from the Western US usually haven't heard of the problem before; but, it is a concern to citizens of Michigan, and their corrupt Senator makes mention of it on his Senatorial website. "

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eek wrote on Aug 20, 2007 8:21 PM:

" cont. - that information is from peer-reviewed scientific literature, not from the corner of Haight-Ashbury. Leonard -I do not want to live in a cave wearing only hemp clothing either. I, too, think there is a middle ground in all the extremism. "

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eek wrote on Aug 20, 2007 8:17 PM:

" Daniel: Think positive feedback loop. SMOG accelerates global warming. Higher temperatures (from global warming) "cook" the residual chemicals in the air which then react with the present nitrogen oxide and SMOG increases. Increased SMOG makes it difficult to breathe, is bad for the lungs, and is especially dangerous to the elderly and children. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 20, 2007 7:34 PM:

" The Worst President in History: Americans earned a smaller average income in 2005 than in 2000, the fifth consecutive year that they had to make ends meet with less money than at the peak of the last economic expansion, new government data shows. Total income listed on tax returns grew every year after World War II, with a single one-year exception, until 2001, making the five-year period of lower average incomes and four years of lower total incomes a new experience for the majority of Americans born since 1945. "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 20, 2007 5:57 PM:

" Then again, a lot of them probably think the world is round. :) "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Aug 20, 2007 5:56 PM:

" I don't want to be the bearer of bad news Daniel but I think everyone here agrees that you are wrong. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 20, 2007 2:41 PM:

" Perry: Everybody in here thinks the other is crazy. Myself, I think your sentence is self-conflicting. "

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nylodian wrote on Aug 20, 2007 1:35 PM:

" Leonard: I think you'd better apologize to the gay space lobsters from Alpha Tau or they might sue you for slander. ;) "

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nylodian wrote on Aug 20, 2007 1:30 PM:

" Brian: I agree that those who bicker over the cause is losing sight of the bigger picture. As I said before, whether one believes in GW or not, why would any sane person object to implementing programs that clean up our air, water and soil? "

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policyhawk wrote on Aug 20, 2007 12:51 PM:

" A story at yahoo states that "Natural weather variations have offset the effects of global warming for the past couple of years and will continue to keep temperatures flat through 2008." Why did they not know that would happend back in oh say 2002. Or how about when the scientists state "But global warming will begin in earnest in 2009, and a couple of the years between 2009 and 2014 will eclipse 1998, the warmest year on record to date" Really which years? They can't tell which years because they are GUESSING. "

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Perry wrote on Aug 20, 2007 9:40 AM:

" The idea that just because the climate changes naturally means that humans can't cause climate change doesn't make any sense to me. These people are just crazy. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 19, 2007 8:01 PM:

" There is a real environmental problem in the Great Lakes, whose water level have declined. How did that happen? "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 19, 2007 10:56 AM:

" Leonard: You must be having trouble explaining how I am the only person that knows GW is a hoax, since there are other people residing in Lodi, who think the same as I. Moreover, I don't have the slightest idea who is Larry G. I'd like to know though. Ditto the previous GW hoax letter. If you try some childish name-calling antics, people will not be distracted. The purpose of my posts is not to put you down for the count; they are to educate. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 19, 2007 10:52 AM:

" eek: I see you're following the thread that somehow makes an analogy between smog in LA, and global warming. You can find plenty of people in the Haight-Ashbury district that could follow that logic. Over in Berkeley, too. Above, Larry G. illustrated that there are too many SUV's on Mars, and you and Leonard et. al. cannot even follow this scientific comparison. That post was very uninformed of facts. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 19, 2007 6:13 AM:

" Brian: It seems to me that the real answer must lie somewhere in between. I have no desire to live in a cave but, in my lifetime, technological miracles have often seemed to create more problems than solutions. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 19, 2007 6:12 AM:

" Brian: With regards to the question of what to do, there seem to be two camps.The extremist on the one side advocate a complete retreat from modern technological society to achieve the elimination of carbon emissions. The extremists on the other side apparently believe that some sort of technological magic bullet will be discovered that will allow us to solve the problem without any changes in our way of life. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 19, 2007 6:08 AM:

" Brian: There will always be fools and dupes who claim that Global Climate Change is a hoax, just as there will always be loonies who claim that JFK was assassinated by gay space lobsters from Alpha Tau. That said, I think the serious debate on this question has ended and we have moved from asking ourselves whether GCC is real to asking ourselves what we are going to do about it. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 19, 2007 1:49 AM:

" Off-topic (NAU / SPP): The following link is probably THE most important item in the news. http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/08/16/01691.html "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 19, 2007 1:40 AM:

" I'm busted! Newsweek figured out where I get the big bucks. I work for a "well-funded machine": http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20122975/site/newsweek/ "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 18, 2007 11:39 AM:

" eek: In your post about the "international" scientists and people who are suffering from the heat in LA, I can't tell which side you're on. You might be making a joke about something, but I'm not sure. I might suggest that if they are from LA, most of them would be American, not "international." Not all of them though. There are some anti-American internationalists down there, too. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 18, 2007 11:36 AM:

" Brian: First of all, the whole thing on human-induced global warming is a hoax in the first place. So I'm accepting any of its children. No matter how much of a hysterical doomsday Chicken Little "cataclysmic event" you want to scare me with, still, No. If doomsday-frightened counter-culture wants its society to prepare for weather change, we can start with some honesty about the hoax, and then start all over at the beginning, as one. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 18, 2007 10:45 AM:

" Brian: Today, our society is suffering on an item that the JBS predicted 10 years ago. You were probably amongst the people who were saying that if it's the JBS, it's gotta be a crackpot scheme. I am talking about China's most-favored nation status in the WTO. To date, Chinese pet food has killed our beloved pets, people have been killed in Haiti, defective blood sugar tests have placed diabetic people at risk of death, and 20 ICBM's are aimed at America, not to mention lead-based paint in children's toys. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 18, 2007 10:39 AM:

" Brian: Your post is quite a bit disrespectful. Spiritually, that could only come back to you as the same. It isn't going to be me, because I won't talk to people like that. I network with some people who are extremely well-informed, and they take the lead in reporting on issues first. That is why I have an issue that you disagree with. Quite the opposite is happening as a matter of fact. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 17, 2007 10:27 PM:

" Jeff: If you choose to copy Leonard's type of remarks, then you aren't any different than he is. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 17, 2007 9:58 PM:

" Leonard: I repeat: If you restrict your remarks within the narrow confines of the blogs, without making a publication, then your words mean nothing. There are only a few people that read these. Although you thump the bible, you don't seem to understand what it says about displaying a candlestick with a light that shines brightly for everybody to see. If you hide within narrow confines, afraid to come out, then you must not have anything spiritual to say. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 17, 2007 9:54 PM:

" Jeff: I love my country, and the planet more than you could understand. The mentality joke is Leonard's. I suggest you get your own joke. "

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Brian wrote on Aug 17, 2007 7:59 PM:

" Daniel, It seems to me you are obsessed with only the cause and not the affect. Are we to assume that in the event of some cataclysmic event you and your croanies will still be at that round table discussing the cause? The meat and potatoes of this whole climate issue is that when their is an event most people will be heading for higher ground and you'll be holding your ground at that round table with a sign saying "It's Only The Sunspots". "

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eek wrote on Aug 17, 2007 6:42 PM:

" Brian: loved the sprinkler post. It was to the point and brilliant. "

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eek wrote on Aug 17, 2007 6:41 PM:

" You know, who are we to listen to thousands and thousands of international biologists, ecologists, chemists, physicists, physical scientists, republicans, democrats, independents, farmers, fisherman, pilots, photographers, deep-sea divers, and elderly and children living in LA who can't go outside on hot days because they can't breathe through the smog. Facts or no facts, if Larry and Daniel think humans can't have an impact on mother nature they must be right. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 17, 2007 6:18 PM:

" Truth is that when somebody does not have an identical drug-induced mentality like yours, and they can use logic and science to refute the game out of your sandbox, you throw a temper tantrum because that is all you have left. You wanted somebody to play the game according to your fantasy rules. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 17, 2007 6:17 PM:

" Jeff, Leonard, and one of the same: You act like little children, or like you have a developmental disability from your mother having taken drugs during pregnancy. All across the nation, liberals who embrace the GW doomsday Chicken Little scandal, one of the greatest deceptions of all time, have resorted to childish name-calling and childplay. You act beligerent, and you go ballistic when somebody doesn't believe you. Your behavior is practically identical to the compliant-minded citizens in two of George Orwell's books. "

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Jeff wrote on Aug 17, 2007 5:12 PM:

" I was going to make a snide remark about the planet haters but then I saw about how this dude tried to off himself. I don't want to push anyone over the edge. "

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Need To Get A Grip wrote on Aug 17, 2007 3:20 PM:

" The idea that you people are threatening to kill yourselves because people don't believe your silly blogs is simply ridiculous. Its time for you folks to get a life. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 17, 2007 12:01 PM:

" Leonard: We are not friends. I'm certain that you know that though. I met some interesting people last night, one from out-of-town. We told jokes about people in the blogs in the global warming letters. I shared a few "extra" opinions. Good luck with your mentality diagnoses. If I want to know you're opinion, I'll know where to ask. "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 17, 2007 11:03 AM:

" DANIEL!!!! Thank goodness you are all right. I have been really worried about you ever since you posted that suicide threat on the last global warming blog. I even went so far as to contact some mutual acquaintances but none of them had seen you. I will have to call Mike tonight and let him know that you are still around. Suicide threats are NOT cool my friend. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 17, 2007 11:01 AM:

" Brian: Additionally, if I suggest using a realistic reference to account for your sealevel model, not a doomsday model; or, do some simple mathematics yourself. Doomsday fanaticism is quite annoying. Doomsday counterculture divides society away from realistic-minded people. It's both cumbersome and annoying to have to deal with such negative. "

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Daniel wrote on Aug 17, 2007 10:53 AM:

" Brian: I've told you this before. There is a big difference between human-caused and solar-caused climate change. If the sun is causing climate to change, how does anybody's human ego think that by reducing CO2 emissions they are going to help anything? "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 17, 2007 10:20 AM:

" Someone made a great post a while back that said something to the following effect. If mankind is really capable of changing the atmosphere, why don't we have big swathes of polluted air over major cities like LA and Houston? "

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Leonard wrote on Aug 17, 2007 10:18 AM:

" Brian: You hit the nail on the head. Conservative denial on this issue is 100% about politics and 0% about facts. In that sense, I would liken it to the liberal position on the 2nd Amendment which is similarly wrong headed. "

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Brian wrote on Aug 17, 2007 8:58 AM:

" Leonard, Do you like my sprinkler experiment? Gotta hand to those conservatives on this issue. Perhaps we should call the new world trade center THE NEW WORLD TRADE CENTER BOATHOUSE. HA HA "

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Brian wrote on Aug 17, 2007 8:50 AM:

" I found out that if you run the sprinklers on your lawn to the point where about one inch of rain has fallen there is no difference between the sprinkler and the rainfall. Larry, are you following this? "

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Brian wrote on Aug 17, 2007 8:44 AM:

" Larry, If Al Gore is wrong about how global warming came about but the affects on the earth are still the same, will you acknowledge that we must make preparations in light of this threat? "

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Brian wrote on Aug 17, 2007 8:39 AM:

" Coastal cities could be inundated with water by 2060. This warming cycle could very well have a large economic impact on the world. I am mostly conservative. But when I hear conservatives discounting this threat because since liberals feel it's man made then conservatives call it a hoax. Is a man made forest fire any less serious than a lightening caused forest fire? A rhetorical question many conservatives just can't seem to grasp. "

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Mark wrote on Aug 17, 2007 7:01 AM:

" Denial is a natural cycle too. Why to the gas lovers always target the Dimocrats but not their hero muscle man Gov.? He's the one pushing Kollifornia's Global Warming Laws. In fact, he's leading the trend for the rest of the country. BTW, everyone knows that the sun causes things to be warmed, but thanks for the reminder. "

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oh wrote on Aug 16, 2007 9:10 PM:

" Probably right about this we are in no way control of mother nature!Who can take these self righteous people like al gore that think the rules they create apply to every one but them selfs?We can make things nasty around us but we can not control mother nature!Thanks Al for taking more then your share of things! "

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