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Tired of paying for illegals


Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:42 AM PDT

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This is in response to Mr. Julio Camberos article, "Immigrant work force is still needed."

Mr. Guzzardi, for one, is not anti-immigrant. He is anti-illegal alien, as are over 80 percent of the U.S. population; so get used to it. This is also why your amnesty didn't pass; and get used to that, too.

As for your count on the number of workers, there are plenty around to help out these farmers. The problem isn't the numbers; the problem is that most illegals don't want to do that work either. Yes, I have asked them myself! You can go to any day labor site, and there are many, especially in the East Bay and Sacramento, and ask them yourself.

The farmers can drive up and offer them a job, but they won't take it. This is their response: "Why take a low-paid farm job when I can get a job paying a lot more with a contractor?" The anti-illegal proponents have the facts and laws on their side, while the pro-illegal side has propaganda. The American public is sick of the propaganda and paying for illegals.

Troy Buonauro
Lodi

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Joseph wrote on Jun 23, 2007 10:24 PM:

" Global Warming is a SCAM.. go ahead and run away like SHEEP "

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GovAgent to Xanadu wrote on Jun 23, 2007 8:06 PM:

" Hey shiphead, you write complete sentences and then try to put it on the blog, and it says you have 40 words too many. your complete sentences could possibily be butchered!!! have a nice day, "

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GovAgent to I Think wrote on Jun 23, 2007 8:03 PM:

" Hey there! dirity jobs my asc! I picked grapes after school, yes it was $25 per bucket, then went up the ladder to swamping grapes (counting the pickers buckets) the illegals couldnt count or keep track! we never worked after 12, because of the heat, yes you start at day break. I have done all these dirity jobs as you call> and loved it! I liked to earn money because bmy family was poor. Yes I am white! "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 21, 2007 6:22 AM:

" Hmmm... Well, if I have truly stopped Danny from spreading untruths and Red Chinese propaganda on these blogs, I suppose that is a good thing. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 20, 2007 10:16 PM:

" Leonard: I've been here too long, and this really is my last remark. That means you can say whatever you want, and it's for free. I'll repeat that you're "looking in the mirror" with whatever you say, and I'm sorry about the disappointment that you must have that the globe isn't warming like you insist and "prove." "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 20, 2007 8:06 PM:

" Leonard: Worry about your own problems Leonard. You have plenty of them! "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 20, 2007 8:05 PM:

" Leonard: I have worked with people who are hopelessly mentally diseased, and I have witnessed quite a few miracles. In this case of understanding both myself, I have learned that a person who is mentally ill, will be the first person to mention their own mental characteristics, before anyone else. I never said I wanted to go to your house. I only said you are anonymous. YOU brought up the topic of a home visit. I never accused you of being a lunatic, or mental. YOU thought of it. "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 20, 2007 8:17 AM:

" Danny: Being anonymous, I can avoid having my home bombed by deranged lunatics. I am sorry, but I am not going to tell you where I live, I am not going to give you access to my home and I am not going to put my family at risk. I am sorry if that upsets you but I have spent far too much time on the internet dealing with people of questionable mental health to take those chances. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 20, 2007 12:38 AM:

" Leonard: Being anonymous, you can write false information, and your true person is not at risk of losing a reputation. "

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Wesley wrote on Jun 18, 2007 7:49 PM:

" Milwaukee Cop of 5 years is found to have used fake I.D. to protect and serve. Facing 3 year sentence for impersonating a U.S. Citizen! May 2007. "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 18, 2007 1:44 PM:

" Danny: I did answer your question. In so much as Leonard is a pen name and not my real name, yes, I do use a blog name to remain anonymous. I wouldn't want some wacko anti commie loonie hunting me down at home and trying to put a bag of flaming dog doo on my porch. "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 18, 2007 1:42 PM:

" Danny: If you don't like your contradictory posts to be thrown back at you, stop writing posts that contradict each other. You can't blame me for your lack of mental discipline. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 18, 2007 12:31 PM:

" Leonard: You can continue to say anything about me that you want, but I'm gone. Find someone else that's stupid enough to answer your blogs. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 18, 2007 12:30 PM:

" Leonard: I'm tired of having my statements reversed and thrown back at me in reverse from what I wrote. Stupid me. I should know that if I continue talk to immaturity, I am going to get back nothing but immaturity. "

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daniel wrote on Jun 18, 2007 12:25 PM:

" Leonard: Again, the question has a simple yes/no. "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 18, 2007 10:12 AM:

" Upon reflection, however, I guess that since I am not really named Leonard, the answer would have to be yes. "

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Mega Leonard wrote on Jun 18, 2007 10:08 AM:

" Danny: Have you? "

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El Leonard-o wrote on Jun 18, 2007 10:07 AM:

" Danny: No. "

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The Great Leonardini wrote on Jun 18, 2007 10:07 AM:

" Danny: So... you are saying that the fact that the JBS was (apparently) founded by a Soviet agent never conflicted with its anti communist message? "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 18, 2007 8:28 AM:

" Leonardus Ponificus: Apparently the LNS deleted the other article, so I'll have to ask you here: Have you ever used a blog name to be anonymous, or to conceal your identity? This question can be answered with a simple YES or NO. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 18, 2007 8:25 AM:

" Leonardus Ponificus: They conflict in your mind. I suggest you ask an adult for help reading my posts. I was saying that you'll be OK if I don't mention two of your own thoughts at the same time. "

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Leonardus Ponificus wrote on Jun 17, 2007 7:10 PM:

" Danny: I am still wondering. If Fred Koch, the funder of the early JBS, was really a Soviet agent, does that mean that the JBS is really a communist front group? Talk about your wheels within wheels..... "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 17, 2007 7:08 PM:

" Danny: Where do you get these ideas? Have you been using different blog names in order to remain anonymous? Is that why you are so obsessed with blog names? "

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leonard wrote on Jun 17, 2007 7:07 PM:

" Danny: You are right, your positions do conflict with each other. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 17, 2007 6:06 PM:

" Leonard: Let me reword the statement: have ever used multiple blog names so that you can be anonymous? "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 17, 2007 6:01 PM:

" Leonard: You make so many wrong assumptions that they conflict with each other. The information in my posts draw your attention to too many of your own ideas at the same time. "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 16, 2007 7:59 PM:

" Danny: I just don't get you. You say that you are against the UN but then you spend months trumpeting a Council on Foreign Relations petition. You claim that you are against communism but then you tell me that your organization was founded and funded by a Soviet agent. Maybe you should take some time off and try to come up with a coherent position. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 16, 2007 2:01 PM:

" Leonard: Since you are so much opposed to everything I post, does that mean that we should surrender the USA into the United Nations. Since that is what I am fighting against, and you are against me, that must be your purpose in the blogs. "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 15, 2007 8:06 PM:

" Now that I am thinking about this though.... If Fred Koch was a Soviet agent when he funded Welch and the early JBS then that would mean that the JBS was really just a Soviet front group and that would mean....ROTFLMAO! "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 15, 2007 7:03 PM:

" Ummm....Danny.... I think you might want to run your most recent posts by your honchoes at the JBS. I googled "Fred Koch" and the sources I saw said that he was both a founding member of the JBS and a close personal friend of Robert Welch Jr. Apparently, Koch bankrolled the JBS through most of its early years. Don't you guys study your own history? "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 15, 2007 7:00 PM:

" Danny: Yeah, I've also posted as Lenny, Leo and "The Great and Magnificent Leonard". Why are you so obsessed with my blog names? "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 15, 2007 5:42 PM:

" leonard: You listed blognames. Here in Lodi, have you used any names other than Leonard, or Leonard Pone? "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 15, 2007 5:41 PM:

" Carson: Is 27,000,000 a real number? If so, where did you get it from? "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 15, 2007 5:40 PM:

" Leonard: The challenge stands to prove your allegations against the JBS. Not here in the blogs, where your victories are self-proclaimed in the fantasy of your own mind. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 15, 2007 5:38 PM:

" Leonard: Your attempt at showing affiliation between the Chinese and JBS is a fraudulent proof. In a HS or college mathematics or science class, any attempt at that kind of logic would be thrown out. In a professional discussion, the person would be thrown out. You are saying A results in C, and B results in C, therefore, A and B know each other. This is the kind of reason why I disrespect you; I get frustrated; and, I wonder why I bother. I can't believe you have a mentality that thinks this way. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 15, 2007 5:30 PM:

" Leonard: Check out the link.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_C._Koch. This guy Fred Koch was endorsed by the Birchman, who claims to be a member of the "real" JBS, and that my JBS is a fraud. Birchman and I are fighting right now. Wiki mentions that Koch was in the USSR oil industry prior to WW-II. I refuse to believe that an oil businessman could easily walk away from an oil empire at the Cold War. I also refuse to believe that he didn't develop some connections. "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 15, 2007 10:07 AM:

" Danny: Soviet connections??? What on Earth does that mean? All I know about the guy is that he said that you had taken the same side as the Chinese on the whole global warming issue. I looked it up and sure enough he was right. Both you and the Chinese are opposed to taking action to prevent Global Warming. So far, Birchman is batting a thousand. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 15, 2007 9:19 AM:

" Leonard: There are a lot of William F. Buckley, Jr. threads. Buckley is a member of the Yale Skull and Bones, and he is definitely devoted to their cause. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 15, 2007 9:02 AM:

" I would like to challenge you to prove your allegations against the JBS. I know you can't prove any of it, because it's not true. Of relevance, I just found the origins of the "Birchman," and it appears that his organization has Soviet connections, and that is definitely not us. In fact, he calls us the imposter. If you got onto one of their threads, you would definitely have some bad information. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 15, 2007 8:54 AM:

" Leonard: OK. Thank you. I suspected, quite strongly, but I would also like to respect your answer. This came about by some strange things that happened, and some rather disrespectful things that were said, particularly it amazes me how you can completely ignore a fact that I show you if it does not support a conclusion that you want to make. "

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Carson wrote on Jun 14, 2007 10:50 PM:

" 27,000,000 Illegal Invaders already here looting our hospitals and social services and the farmers can't find enough of them to work for them. Maybe the answer isn't more! "

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leonard wrote on Jun 14, 2007 5:52 PM:

" Danny: I have used several blog names over the years. Back on the old NY Times Forum, I was lnrdddlopatoe. On the Atlantic Post and Riposte I was Leonardo D'Patio. Here, I have posted as Leonard or Leonard Pone. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 14, 2007 11:58 AM:

" Leonard: I think the guy on the other column also asked you a question, have you used 2 blog names? Would you like to answer that question? "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 14, 2007 9:00 AM:

" Danny: I know how you feel about the whole name issue. I've got some guy on one of the other blogs accusing me of posting under multiple identities. Its kind of hard to prove your innocence. I wish the LNS would impose a system that would force bloggers to register a single unique name and then use that name in all of their posts. That would end all this nonsense once and for all. "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 14, 2007 8:34 AM:

" Danny: I am generally against changing the law to criminalize infants but, if the law is to be changed, I think it is only fair to apply it broadly. Think how much land would be freed up if we deported anyone who was descended from an illegal or undocumented alien! We could eliminate the housing crunch over night. "

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I think wrote on Jun 13, 2007 11:24 PM:

" You all could solve the problem easily, if all you legal housewives and retired couples and school kids home on break are wanting this dirty job of working in the intense heat and dirt all day... well , go for it. I am sure you would get priority and could run the illegals out just for simple fact of no jobs, would love to see some white skin out there packing lug boxes, but , ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 13, 2007 10:02 PM:

" Daniel: Hey Daniel! You're not making much sense there buddy. I think I know who you are. This means war. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 13, 2007 9:59 PM:

" Leonard: As if you are not mad enough at me, watch out for a blogger who is using my name. Below, that is not me! I think I know who it is. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 13, 2007 9:58 PM:

" Leonard: I think it would be shameful to take away a citizenship after it is granted. Are you sure you want to advocate stripping citizenships that were previously granted? "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 13, 2007 9:57 PM:

" Leonard, Oh: I agree there is a flaw in the law that grants citizenship to anchor babies. I have studied the constitution on this issue, and I didn't find it to be a constitutional requirement, like I always thought it was. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 13, 2007 9:54 PM:

" Daniel: Hey there sir: This blogname is taken. "

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leonard wrote on Jun 13, 2007 5:13 PM:

" AN: I absolutely agree with you as long as you make it retroactive. Get rid of ALL the anchor babies. If anyone can't show that every last one of their ancestors immigrated to this country legally, they should be stripped of their citizenship and expelled. Fair is Fair. "

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sam wrote on Jun 13, 2007 4:19 PM:

" Pencils-out: Great ideas. I have to agree with you. "

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AN wrote on Jun 13, 2007 3:16 PM:

" Does anyone remember after 9/11. We had a mass exodus to Mexico. I could not believe how many south of the border fled when this happened. Do you want to be an American or not? You can't have it both ways. Or I guess you can with this liberal govt in CA. "

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AN wrote on Jun 13, 2007 3:15 PM:

" Can you say anchor baby....The Constitution needs to be amended to say that only citizens of the USA can have babys here that are automatic citizens. I'm in favor of visiting worker permits for ag workers, not for hih-tech workers that keep knocking down wages. Americans also used to work at construction, now the illegals ran down the wages and a living wage is no longer possible. "

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Xanadu wrote on Jun 13, 2007 3:14 PM:

" I was beginning to think that there were not enough unskilled, un-educated LEGAL Americans to do these jobs...but reading through these posts, I'm seeing that with the communicative abilities presented, I may have been wrong in my original assessment. I don't know how many of you could hold down higher-level jobs without being able to so much as string together a coherent sentence. "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 13, 2007 3:11 PM:

" People (such as Oh): You're right...they can pick and choose! It's called free market economics, and it's the foundation of true capitalism. The people that belive in complete free-market policies are the same ones that want to restrict Spanish advertising, hiring certain workers, etc. It's incredibly hypocritical. "

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Jenna wrote on Jun 13, 2007 3:03 PM:

" To Pencils-Out: Don't give up the ESL classes just yet - something tells me that the likes of you could benefit from some remedial spelling & grammar courses. Perhaps a better use of the $15/hour? Wait, that would be EFL, wouldn't it? "

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GovAgent (Tim S) continued #2 wrote on Jun 13, 2007 2:47 PM:

" This country is being stripped from all ends. illegals will destroy the US as we know it! We need to make Mexico apart of the USA. The benefits would be; fair wages, new water treatment plants ie too much to list. There are so many natural resouces in Mexico and management is key. Make the living condition better and people will move to Mexico in droves. Think of the retirement community and industrial areas as a result!! MEXICO USA BABY! "

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GovAgent (Tim S) continued wrote on Jun 13, 2007 2:41 PM:

" So the Republican party is the only choice, if you dont want your kids to be forced to learn about gays in school, and get your rights stripped away. But President Bush ran as a repubilcan yet backs both parties. He wants to pass this bill for big business, he is making his words good to the top 10%. This policy he wants to pass is not good for anyone. Mike Savage is a pain at times but the listeners are getting the message to the republican party. "

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GovAgent (Tim S) wrote on Jun 13, 2007 2:35 PM:

" I agree with pencil-in. Let me explain; I am a GOD fearing, and would say a Sheep dog. Protect the sheep when needed. The reason I am Republican is because of the relationship with its constituency. It is like business partners, pay your taxes, they protect us. Democrats are like the parent child relationship, they tell you what is good for you and what to do. They take rights of parents and give children power. "

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pencils-out wrote on Jun 13, 2007 1:29 PM:

" if all illegals went back home and if the usa quit printing ballots in spainish, dropped all esl in schools, no more free medical, no more press numero cinco for espanol, no more special services at dmv, irs, ect, ect, ect. the government could subsadize farmers to pay $15 p/hr or more. legal citizens would work. we would be able to give medical to legals and be money ahead. "

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Leonard wrote on Jun 13, 2007 1:02 PM:

" People talk about how farmers will just pay American workers more to harvest crops and then pass the costs on to the consumers but I wonder who is going to buy a bunch of California grapes for $5.00 when you can get the same grapes from Mexico or Chile for $2.00. "

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Max wrote on Jun 13, 2007 10:40 AM:

" Carol: Good point. It's very nice and quaint for elderly and disillusioned people to remenisce about their Aunt So-and-So out picking grapes with the whole family, but the reality is that as a society advances, its inhabitants want to further distance themselves from back-breaking labor. We are not going to change this as long as we continue to create for ourselves a society where decadence comes to 18-year-olds with the swipe of a credit card. Newcomers will continue to be the laborers, even if people like Brian rail against it. "

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oh wrote on Jun 13, 2007 10:35 AM:

" The cherries were easy picking this year but not always!Do you think those workers will be back when they are not!Do you think there is any loyalty in these workers when the times are tuff? "

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oh wrote on Jun 13, 2007 10:30 AM:

" You are right about this to a point!They are so free here to do what ever they want!They pick and chose their jobs!It's not the jobs where they can (HIDE)anymore because they don't have to! "

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to carol wrote on Jun 13, 2007 9:01 AM:

" Carol, I know you were making a joke but actually "sam" (a poster here) says she was out picking cherries as was an elderly man along side her, whcih is exactly what you describled. Sorta funny. "

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Brian wrote on Jun 13, 2007 8:49 AM:

" There was time in this country when it was commonplace to see all types of people picking the crop. I have a picture of my Uncle Fred topping sugar beets in the 20's. Ever since we found out how easy it was to get cheap Mexican labor the culture changed and now it is no longer cool to get your hands dirty in the fields. We need to change this mindset. "

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Prescott wrote on Jun 13, 2007 8:42 AM:

" It appears to me that it was a response to another letter that claimed Joe Guzzardi was "anti-immigrant", and that there is a "shortage" of illegals to do farmwork. The author said Joe is "anti-illegal", and that the majority of illegals won't do farmwork because they can get better paying construction jobs. You don't need a "break", you need to get a "clue" or learn to read properly. "

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A Lodi Mom wrote on Jun 13, 2007 8:41 AM:

" Carol - As a matter of fact, my neighbor's son, home from college, was indeed out picking cherries the last several weeks. And guess what? He's not an illegal immigrant! Nope, born, raised and schooled right here in the US of A :-) "

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Daniel wrote on Jun 13, 2007 7:59 AM:

" Yes, the illegal aliens prefer the landscaping jobs over agriculture. "

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Carol wrote on Jun 13, 2007 6:58 AM:

" I am not sure what Mr. Buonauro's point is. He seems to be claiming that illegals are not harvesting the crops. If not illegals, who was out picking cherries the last several weeks? Middle-class women looking for mad money? College kids on summer break? Retired folks supplementing their social security? Give me a break. "

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