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Large nightclub proposed in Lodi

Owners expect 450 revelers a night on weekends if 'Rum Jungle' OK'd

By Ross Farrow
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:58 AM PDT

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The owner of a Downtown Lodi business that burned to the ground three years ago wants to build a new nightclub called Rum Jungle — complete with a full bar and a dance floor for 450 people on weekend nights.

Along with the nightclub, the building would feature a full restaurant on the second floor. The bottom floor would be turned into a shopping center, with nine spaces to lease out, similar to the new facility across from the Lodi post office.

If approved by the Lodi Planning Commission, the two-story Rum Jungle will hold nearly four times as many patrons as Mojo's, a popular night spot with a history of fighting, two blocks away on Sacramento Street.

The proposed Rum Jungle site, at 27 S. Sacramento St., is owned by Fayeq Rashid, who owned Rashid Imports between Pine and Oak streets until a fire destroyed it in May 2004. He and his 22-year-old son, Rashid Rashid, would operate the nightclub, although the younger Rashid would be mostly in charge.

"Right now, if people want to go out and dance, they have to go to Stockton or Sacramento or elsewhere. We don't want to create another bar; we want to create a nightclub scene," said Rashid Rashid.

Rum Jungle would provide a dance floor with DJ music and live bands, when possible. The Rashids expect about 450 customers on Friday and Saturday nights, with four or five security guards controlling the door to secure the entrance line, according to their application with Lodi's Community Development Department.

Another seven to nine guards would be inside the club, and a "patroller" would be located in the Downtown parking garage a block north.

"We plan on providing our own private security team — including metal detectors — to prevent problems before they happen. We want a classy place, and we will enforce a full dress code, including long-sleeved, collared shirts. No gang colors will be allowed. Gang activity will not be tolerated," said Rashid Rashid.

The jungle-themed nightclub would be open to anyone 18 and older. Those 21 years and older would receive a wristband identifying them as old enough to drink alcohol, according to the application.

Plans to open Rum Jungle met with mixed reaction among neighboring businesses. The Lodi Police Department is downright alarmed with the idea.

"I have some serious concerns about another establishment of this nature," said Lodi Police Lt. Chris Piombo, who oversees the Downtown area and is researching Rashid's application.

"We already have staffing concerns with other bars and the theater," Piombo said. "The Downtown area is pretty saturated with this kind of establishment."

Piombo said that Rum Jungle has the potential to have the same problems as Antonio's Latin Club, which closed in 2005 shortly after a 43-year-old man was shot and killed outside the establishment. Antonio's was known for weekend crowds of up to 1,000 people.

Rum Jungle at a glance

Location: 27 S. Sacramento St., Lodi.
Owner: Fayeq Rashid.
Business operators: Fayeq Rashid and his son, Rashid Rashid.
Uses: Restaurant would open at 11 a.m. and stop seating people at 8 p.m.; nightclub with full bar to open at 9 p.m. Last call is at 1:30 a.m. and nightclub to close at 2 a.m.
Cover charge: $10 for those 21 and older; $12 for 18- through 20-year-olds.
Customers: About 450 on Friday and Saturday nights.
Dress code: Men must wear a collared button-up shirt. Prohibited attire includes tennis shoes, gang clothing, long chains and hats.
Parking: Downtown garage at northeast corner of Pine and Sacramento streets. Could have valet parking in the future.
Source: Lodi Community Development Department.

Piombo's issues associated with Rum Jungle include:

• The need to provide extra police service when there are several other bars in Downtown Lodi, including Mojo's.

• More people walking through nearby dark alleys and having to walk up and down stairs at the nightclub when intoxicated.

• Effect on residents at nearby Imperial Hotel, the parking garage nearly a block away and the Union Pacific Railroad tracks across the street from Rum Jungle.

• Possible vandalism and other problems for nearby businesses.

• Effect on police protection in other parts of Lodi if additional officers are needed for a large nightclub.

Jan Spotorno, who owns two businesses on Sacramento Street, has an answer — require Rashid to pay for extra police officers to patrol the Downtown area if he's allowed to open the nightclub.

On the other hand, Dale Reasor, owner of Landd Special T's on Oak Street, supports Rum Jungle as long as it's upscale like Lodi Beer Co. or Old Arch Brewing Co. on School Street.

"I don't see anything wrong with it," Reasor said. "Some people might think it will draw a bad crowd. It all depends how high class he keeps it."

In their planning application, the Rashids said they will enforce a dress code banning tennis shoes, gang attire and hats.

Spotorno, however, said another nightclub would not be good for Downtown Lodi's image.

"I don't think that's what Downtown was meant to be," Spotorno said. "We want a wholesome, family oriented business Downtown. Do we have enough jail space for 450 inebriated people?"

Other potential problems, she said, are vandalism to closed businesses and trash in the streets.

Reo Nathan, who owned Reo's Appliance Center around the corner from the Rum Jungle site, also said he opposes the nightclub because Downtown Lodi has enough bars.

The city will require a use permit because of the alcohol and live entertainment.

Contact reporter Ross Farrow at rossf@lodinews.com.

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Lodian wrote on Jun 7, 2007 4:31 PM:

" OMG!: It looks to be GovAgent/Tim Spagnola who posted all those comments, 25 or so. "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 6, 2007 8:41 PM:

" (continued)...To Rashid: And please reconsider that underage aspect of your business. It's not going to net you a lot of money anyway and could cause you a lot of grief that is definitely not worth the money and effort. Whatever you decide, if the city approves of this business, I hope you are dedicated and an on site owner so you can make sure all is well. Please do not make this place something the police has to dedicate a whole lot of time to so as to keep order. Good luck. "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 6, 2007 8:38 PM:

" Rashid: Two things... 1.) Get used to people using your name to undermine your comments on these blogs. It's common! 2.) I have never, nor would I ever, use the name "Rashid" when making a comment. Now, regarding your new business...I hope you have done your homework so Lodi does not have to deal with a bunch of problems due to the bar scene and what that can possibly bring about. The businesses you have worked in are a lot different than a high volume bar/club. Anyway, please run it well.(continued)..... "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 6, 2007 12:10 PM:

" Love-ableLivableLodi: Wow, I think that was a record of 20 or 25 posts in a row! I posted the idea about the empty Wal-Mart building a long time ago, maybe before your time here...I don't know. It was a good idea then and a good idea now. I also think Delta could use the building as a site for one of their schools, but that wouldn't net the investors enough dough so they stick with the Victor Road site. Anyway, if you open the place I'd be happy to run it! "

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Give me a break II wrote on Jun 5, 2007 9:00 PM:

" continued - You can wake up early and march around for few hours to enjoy the sun rise. Your reward is an "all you can eat breakfast" free every day. Do you want clothes? You get them for free. Free hair styling will save $15 bucks and you can get your hair styled every week. You want education? you will get an education you'll never forget. If you want to get drink and get drunk, the military drinking age is 17, so drink up. "

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Give me a break! wrote on Jun 5, 2007 8:47 PM:

" Whine whine whine. If a kid is 18 years old and he can't figure out what to do with his time. I have a good one. Go the local recruter and join. Think of it as a FREE "health club" membership, Sort of a like a "day spa". "

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to Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 8:36 PM:

" Who would want to talk to you about anything. You are a talker, not a listener. Go raise your own kids and stop posting all this stuff as if we care what you have to say in 25 posts! Gee, go play with your kids or your wifey. They are probably ignored often by you. Or maybe they've already left you. "

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OMG! wrote on Jun 5, 2007 8:31 PM:

" Can you say, WIND BAG? Now that has got to be a record number of posts in one sitting. This guy must really think he is the know it all in Lodi. Is this guy a preacher man? Please tell me where he preaches so I make sure I never set foot in that place. LOL! "

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mj wrote on Jun 5, 2007 7:46 PM:

" I agree with Love-able's idea. Make Wally World a family fun center with no alcohol, period! May I suggest adding a bowling alley, as Lodi is in need of that too! Let's face it, Lodi has enough booze/bar establishments and we don't really need any more. If all the losers would just drink at home, we wouldn't have all these problems. "

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mj wrote on Jun 5, 2007 7:42 PM:

" If it goes through this place will be shut down in no time. How hard is it for a 21 year old to slip an 18 year old a drink? They can't keep track of them all. Poor idea. If anything, any establishment with a dance floor and a bar is usually a bad idea, and always leads to problems. Take away the booze alltogether! "

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Rashid (cont.) wrote on Jun 5, 2007 7:11 PM:

" I have lots of business experience from farming and selling grapes to wineries and ruining a recording studio for my Brother in las veges and also running my Dads wear house which is still up and running till this day . "

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Rashid wrote on Jun 5, 2007 7:08 PM:

" Love-ableLivableLodi You seem like a person who knows what reallies going on and you are not on anybody s side .I like that if you have any questions Ask ill be more then happy to answer them . TO THE REST OF YOU I have been planing this kind of business now for about 4 years I didn't wake up one morning and say "o wow i should build a night club with my dads money" no this is some thing I wanted to do since high school. "

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about time wrote on Jun 5, 2007 6:52 PM:

" we need something to do in lodi im tired of driveing all the way to sac. "

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Rashid wrote on Jun 5, 2007 6:44 PM:

" Some one please stop using my name .....I don't mind making it 21 and up if thats what it comes to .... "

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sam wrote on Jun 5, 2007 6:38 PM:

" As for the youth facility in the old WalMart?? I have the land, (or would be willing to host it in the old building) and some of the money, and think it would be amazing... but I need more investors... and a youthful mind like yourself. Great ideas. Great comments. "

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sam wrote on Jun 5, 2007 6:34 PM:

" Lovable: great blog. I agree.. I originaly thought the 18 year old component might be ok, but I see your point. We have been to clubs in SF, Sac, etc with and without our grown kids and have had a blast. It is NOT all about alcohol. These clubs offer great entertainment and a great place to interact with people. I would love to see one in Lodi. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:45 PM:

" (Now THAT will help the community. And if I had that kind of money, I would have built this a long time ago. Any investors out there wanna talk????) Thank you. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:45 PM:

" My suggestion: take the existing (soon to be empty) Wal-Mart building on Kettleman Lane and put in an indoor miniature golf-course, go-karts, pool tables, virtual arcade games, soda fountain, eatery, batting cages, mini-club dancefloor area, serve NO alcohol, allow ALL ages and make it a family fun center for everyone!!! "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:44 PM:

" So now that I have shed some perspective on this arguement, I would just like to say that I am all for a place where people can go and have a good time together and not have to worry about all the bad things that come with hanging out at places such as these, but again, this is life and there will always be a bad guy that ruins it for us all... "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:44 PM:

" The city has to see whether or not it is profitable for them to allow this business to take shape or reject it in fear of the negative impact it could have on their image, the city, and the residents. (Which we all know what happens when it comes down to politics in this town, people.) "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:43 PM:

" 9. ALL-MIGHTY DOLLAR. Ah, now we get to the whole point of this debate, MONEY! The Rashids' have this vision to not only provide people with something to do, but to also cash-in on the american dream of making MONEY (and you can't blame them). "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:43 PM:

" Don't blame the business that is trying to provide a place for adults to have fun, it is the stupid, brainless, drunk that tried to be all macho and prove to "his girl," that he isn't going to stand for another guy "looking" at her and therefore has to protect his manhood and attack an innocent bystander just to make himself look good. (You can thank most of the Lodi parents for this kind of macho upbringing.) "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:42 PM:

" We tend to forget that each person is responsible for their own actions and if they choose to drink and then get violent, it is because they cannot handle alcohol and shouldn't even be stepping foot in these places to begin with! "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:42 PM:

" Creating a proper "dress code," is not going to stop violence. Just because you have on Armani slacks and Prada shoes, instead of jeans and a t-shirt, doesnt make you any better and mean that you aren't capable of causing problems. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:41 PM:

" 8. RESPONSIBILITY/ADULTS. As many of you have seen the stories surrounding bars and drinking and Sacramento St., it is true that a problem exists, but it is NOT the problem of the business owners, it is the problem of the so called RESPONSIBLE ADULTS that frequent these establishments. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:41 PM:

" Don't be fooled Lodi, many of you have created the young adults that fill up our juvenile detention centers by your actions that led these youth to think that it was "okay" to do what they did since mommy or daddy did it. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:40 PM:

" We shape the future adults and even though each person has the ability to create what they become in life, we as adults also assist in developing their habits, their morals, their outlook and their attitude as to how they live their lives. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:40 PM:

" Rashid stated that security will be provided and he is willing to pay for extra enforcement so it seems that he has already taken steps to address safety concerns. 7. PARENTS. Ultimately, parents need to spend alot more quality time with their kids anyway. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:39 PM:

" 6. POLICE. Now, we all know that with this new business comes more police protection and more frequent calls for assistance. YES, this will have an impact on our police dept. and we will be under more strain when it comes to being able to handle all the emergency calls during these business hours, but just like any city, you have to adapt to the surroundings and with the growth of lodi, we will need more officers anyway, so beefing up the force is enevitable. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:39 PM:

" ONLY HE can decide if he is capable of running it and if he isn't, then the business will fail and it's all on him, if not, he will be successful and learn from the entire experience. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:38 PM:

" 5. RIGHTS. As far as the business aspect of it goes, we do not have any right to tell someone what type of business they can open (as long as it's legal) or if they are even qualified to open it! In this situation, we cannot ask Rashid if he is capable or even qualified to run a business like this. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:37 PM:

" Lodi doesnt like or want change, but we need to wakeup, this is 2007 not 1907!!! Things have changed and life as we know it has changed and you better be ready to ride the wave or throw away your paddle grandma. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:37 PM:

" They don't WANT to progress... I mean, come on, how long do we have to argue with the Super Wal-Mart issue just to find out that they WILL be building their store soon regardless and that Lodi, and I for one, will benefit from it???!!! But that's another issue, but you can see my point. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:36 PM:

" I have seen the clubs in Sacramento and the Bay Area and know that there are a lot of people that honestly like to go out to dance and shoot pool and hangout with friends and legitimately want to have a good time. No such place exists in Lodi. This is because, the city doesnt WANT it to exist in Lodi. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:36 PM:

" 4. NIGHTLIFE. In Lodi, there seems to be no "nightlife," as everything usually closes by 9pm anyway. We do have some eating establishments that offer alcohol and some bars downtown, but we need to offer an alternative to this. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:35 PM:

" As this may seem harmless, it won't work. Many of these young adults will find a way to get past all the red tape and drink and do what it is that they feel they are allowed to do when you mix alcohol and youth. I have seen it all over the years and agree that there should be a place for 18-20 year olds to hangout and enjoy themselves, but not with "drinking" 21 year olds. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:34 PM:

" Being 18 means, yes, you are an adult, but that doesnt mean that you have earned the privileges or rights as someone who is 21. You can blame the government for putting a label on that one my friends. So I see what the Rashids' are doing here and they are trying to find a way to utilize their facility, make money, and also to accept both age brackets at the same time. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:34 PM:

" This is the motivation for someone to open a bar or nightclub and I dont care what other reason they have, it is THIS reason that influences them. 3. TEENS. I have seen so many teens in lodi lingering around not knowing WHAT to do with themselves so they get bored and invent "fun" things to do without really realizing the consequences cuz they frankly don't care! "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:33 PM:

" SOLUTION: either keep it a 21 and over club or take away the selling of alcohol all-together. But this leads to the next issue of: 2. BUSINESS IN GENERAL. People open a business to make money. If it doesnt make sense, or if there isnt a need for the service or product, then it is useless and a waste of time. However, we all know that ALCOHOL has a 300% markup and MAKES MONEY. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:31 PM:

" 1. LODI. Lodi has always had a reputation of "nothing to do," for teens here. As I agree with this being I grew up here and have seen the bowling alley, the skating rink, the miniature golf courses and a few others be erased to make room for more "profitable" business, I personally do NOT agree with allowing under 21 year old adults to mingle with drinking age adults in a "nightclub" atmosphere as I was part of that lifestyle in Sacramento many a Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday night and it DOES NOT mix well. "

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Love-ableLivableLodi wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:30 PM:

" Okay folks, lets break it down here. This brings up all kinds of issues with Lodi, Business in general, Teens, Nightlife, Rights, Police, Parents, Responsibility, Adults, and the all-mighty DOLLAR! There are several ways to view this: "

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Rashid wrote on Jun 5, 2007 3:17 PM:

" Lodian you need to stuff it! It is you who are naive! Get a life. You might scare people away at the nightclub. Yikes! "

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Lee wrote on Jun 5, 2007 2:57 PM:

" Dogbark, I love your blogs. "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 5, 2007 2:37 PM:

" dogbark: You may get your wish. "

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dogbark at brilliance wrote on Jun 5, 2007 11:26 AM:

" WOW!!! Let's combine the ideas in these LNS blogs. Let Rashid Sr&Jr open their club, add flagpoles inside and have booty dancers and pole dancers. Now there's a club! "

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Sam wrote on Jun 5, 2007 11:13 AM:

" I'm for it. "

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Michael L wrote on Jun 5, 2007 11:08 AM:

" To Rashid.I support you 100 % on opening a high class night club. I live in Lodi and always have to take trips every weekend to find a high class place to go to. I am also 22 and very successful business man. People try to bring young people down for trying to succeed. I would love to be a part of this establishment if you have any openings. Keep up the good work. "

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kh wrote on Jun 5, 2007 10:07 AM:

" maybe not everybody is greatly fond of the 'family atmosphere' i for one am happy lodi keeps growing and getting bigger "

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To Rashid wrote on Jun 5, 2007 9:01 AM:

" Rashid Jr., You forget that there are adults in Lodi who know you. We have seen you around others. It wasn't that long ago that you were pretending to be a latrino. "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 5, 2007 8:56 AM:

" Once again, I am God's gift to life, and by far a know it all! Gee, Maybe I should run for city council seeing how I'm good at telling everyone on the blogs how they are wrong! "

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well wrote on Jun 4, 2007 9:54 PM:

" I doubt the LPD is thrilled with the thought of this RUM JUNGLE. "

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well wrote on Jun 4, 2007 9:52 PM:

" TO Rashid, You talk like a very inexperienced person. "

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To Rashid wrote on Jun 4, 2007 9:09 PM:

" Good luck with your families new business. I look forward to taking my kids there. "

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Another Bar? wrote on Jun 4, 2007 8:46 PM:

" Another Bar? That is all Lodi needs.....more drunks on the streets and more bar fights..... "

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Lary wrote on Jun 4, 2007 5:33 PM:

" This town is full of gangs already look at central lodi full of them this club wont make a difference all Rashid has to do is not let them in ............ "

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Rashid wrote on Jun 4, 2007 5:28 PM:

" lodian how old are you? Do you know me or my family ? Its a donation look it up in the dictionary stop saying what i can and cant do ............. Its sad to know that YOU are the only one with the most comments what do you do ? do you have a job or kids to take care of ? it seems that i might have my life more on track then you and im only 22 .... "

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sam wrote on Jun 4, 2007 5:10 PM:

" Well said eek. I agree. Remember there are two Rashids here. Father and son. Good luck with your new venture. "

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eek wrote on Jun 4, 2007 4:33 PM:

" Rashid: this sounds like a great idea for Lodi adults and long over due. You have my support! "

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Clueless wrote on Jun 4, 2007 4:25 PM:

" Why all the angst about another bar/club? Maybe you could just buy Mojo's and run it the way you want? Then everybody's happy! "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 4, 2007 1:52 PM:

" It seems pretty scary to think Rashid will be running this place. I hope he has a lot of experienced help when he opens. His comments seem naive to me. I have a feeling he will have more than he can handle on his hands when he opens this bar. And Rashid will be more than "...happy to make donations to the lodi police department"??? Isn't that illegal? ;-) "

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dogbark wrote on Jun 4, 2007 1:32 PM:

" Aw, forget extra security. Let the Women's Club handle the dress code and dance styles. Take that you nasty booty dancers! "

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Duh! wrote on Jun 4, 2007 1:07 PM:

" 21 yr olds + 18 yr olds = 21 yr olds buying drinks for 18 yr olds. "

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scary news wrote on Jun 4, 2007 12:31 PM:

" There was a 21year old High School grad shot to death early on Saturday in a drive by shooting after leaving a nightclub in Sacramento. This is what can come with the big nightclub scene. Get ready. If you think the police are busy now, just wait till the Rum Jungle opens their doors. Your family atmosphere that you want to keep so badly will be no longer existent downtown. "

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Delta Student wrote on Jun 4, 2007 9:55 AM:

" I'd go to this night club and try it out. Why not? I know a lot of my friends go to Empire in Sacramento..Why cant we just go in Lodi? If its a place with real security and not letting the under age drink, then I think it might be a good place. I dont think the bar should be mixed with the club though. Maybe have drinking upstairs and only 21+ go up there. But we all know that wont happen! "

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TA wrote on Jun 4, 2007 9:00 AM:

" The bottom line here is do the citizens of Lodi want the city to fall by the moral roadside as much of the country has. Do not kid yourselfs this will atract trouble from stockton and other areas. Lodi is already a target town for outside gangs and criminals. And Rashid who are you trying to fool here give back to the community, its about the money and only the money not the community. Lodi needs to stand up and not let this element destroy our town. "

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Metric Time System wrote on Jun 4, 2007 8:38 AM:

" Rashid: if you wanted to help the community, is a dance club and bar the best thing you could think of? Rather than opening a business that preys on human weaknesses that is doomed to lose money, how about a donation to the Salvation Army or the 180 Teen Center, or the Loel Center. Pregnancy Resource Center would be a great philanthropic choice as well. "

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Rashid wrote on Jun 3, 2007 1:56 PM:

" I don't want to make anyone mad I just want to do something for lodi and start giving back to the community .. I will be more then happy to make donations to the lodi police department.I have only good intentions for lodi and its not all about the money like some people come to think .Weather I get the ok or not I will not have any hard feelings for anyone who is lashing agents me on this blog ... "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 3, 2007 12:22 PM:

" to "the teenagers": Yes, you will see this often. In this case some posters like the idea of teens being able to be at a bar establishment on the weeknights yet have an issue with the teens at the movie theater. Do they not realize that the teens at the bar may be a bigger issue? I'd like to know more about the Rum Jungles' policies on this, but people have shut down Rashid and he probably doesn't want to post here any longer. Ah, the good ol' blogs and hateful bloggers. They always close down the blogs. "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 3, 2007 12:17 PM:

" to "to Lodian": I welcome opposing viewpoints from intelligent people. You being hostile is much different than just having a different view or stand on an issue. Your personal attacks show your lack of ability to back up your views with intelligent dialogue. "

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The teenagers wrote on Jun 3, 2007 9:17 AM:

" The teenagers in this town can't handle going to a movie theater to see a movie and were going to build them a nightclub? This town is so ignorant. Mark my words, someones kid is going to get killed. "

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Jeremy wrote on Jun 2, 2007 8:39 PM:

" A bar is simply an establishment thats primary focus is the sale of alcohol. A night club also sells alcohol, but has music and a dance floor. Again, I just want to say that I think this is a good idea, and could be a great thing for lodi. THe teen nights could work with just 18 and up(they are adults), and maybe having a place to party, shoot pool, do whatever could be better than what goes on in some peoples houses. "

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hey wrote on Jun 2, 2007 8:32 PM:

" to to lodian, you have a hrd time dealing with lodian because she only posts under her own blogger name and you cant stand it that someone actually has integrity and you dont. "

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to to lodian wrote on Jun 2, 2007 7:46 PM:

" Rashid better get used to these questions. He will have to answer them. If not here, then by the police. "

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to And to Rashid wrote on Jun 2, 2007 7:45 PM:

" Lodian has been nothing but respectful and you know it. Stop playing your stupid games and talk like adults. Get over yourself. Lodian asked rashid some very good questions and a lot of us would be interested in the answer. "

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To Lodian wrote on Jun 2, 2007 2:21 PM:

" Quit posting under Rashids name. "

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And to Rashid: wrote on Jun 2, 2007 12:06 PM:

" Good luck with your new business. Pay no attention to Lodian, you're never going to please her. One minute she's complaining teens have nothing to do in Lodi. and the next minute shes complaining when someone builds a new place for the kids to gather. "

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To Lodian wrote on Jun 2, 2007 12:02 PM:

" Lodian you think everyone is hostile if they have an opinion different than yours. Whats next? Rashid is stalking you? Or was it impersonating you? "

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Just wondering wrote on Jun 2, 2007 7:44 AM:

" Can someone please explain to me the difference between a bar and a nightclub? "

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Rashid Rashid wrote on Jun 2, 2007 12:30 AM:

" im sorry ,this is the real Rashid there are people using my name i only posted two comments on may 29 and i will contact the lodi news sentinel A S A P SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE "

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lodi is my home wrote on Jun 2, 2007 12:03 AM:

" i want this club in lodi because there inst anything to do and i don't like to drive to sac on Friday nights in traffic with a car full of my friends it sucks people gas is way to much just stop thinking about your selfs , get a life Lodi is going to grow and there will be black people living hear to .....this town is just racist sorry but thats the truth "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 1, 2007 10:26 PM:

" Rashid: I'm wondering... on weeknights, will you be carding the youth that come in to make sure they are at least 18 years old? Where there are 18 year olds there will be 16 and 17 year olds, maybe younger. What steps will you take to ensure the youngers do not enter? Are you concerned about this? "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 1, 2007 10:21 PM:

" Rashid, Why so hostile? It seems like people in your business need to have strong backbones. Take it in stride and relax. If you are confident in what you are doing then don't be so sensitive. You are young, so maybe that's where this is coming from. I don't know you, so that's a guess. I think if you are going to handle a huge bar scene, like this Rum Jungle, then you may need to toughen up a bit. Good luck. "

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Thank you Rashid wrote on Jun 1, 2007 6:15 PM:

" Your eloquent responses, proved my point. You replied by ignoring them! yYes, Dr Rashid, I know you are a "businessman" and a very proud one! I think your dad can bail you out of any problems you encounter. But, I sufggest hiring a Public relations expert to put a "face" on your business! I have an idea. how about Elliot Mintz, he would have all of LODI at your new establishment. (Elliot Mintz is the publicist for Paris Hilton-look what she gets away with!) "

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40 YEAR OLD MAN IN LODI wrote on Jun 1, 2007 5:27 PM:

" ok people get it right its 18 and over not 18 and under. come on you people make me sick when you say that this will be something bad for lodi ............think of ot this way if this club comes to town then other bars would go out of business because people would rather go to a club then a bar .if it close es down two bars then its batter for us and the community .1 for 2 is so muck better .........wake up and think smart LODI .. "

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sam wrote on Jun 1, 2007 4:47 PM:

" kh, I agree. 18 year olds are considered adults in our country. They can vote. They even be killed in Iraq defending serving our country. I believe they should be allowed in clubs. One does not have to drink alcohol to enjoy a great night club. "

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sam wrote on Jun 1, 2007 3:48 PM:

" I see kids and teenagers dining in the bar at Chilis. I don't see them drinking alcohol. I know the Rashids and think they will do a wonderful job. Again, Good luck. "

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kh wrote on Jun 1, 2007 2:36 PM:

" I agree 12 year olds shouldnt be able to come in, but i think that trying to tell this age crowd what they 'should do' will not work. we are perfectly capable of making descisions "

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kh wrote on Jun 1, 2007 2:36 PM:

" just because some of you are parents does not mean that you get to rule the world of lodi and say what will happen with the under 21 crowd and what will not. yes under 21 cannot drink. but the age of adulthood is 18. 18 year olds can make any descision they want, they can live on their own and be adults. So why would it be unwise to let them go to a club if they are doing other adult things as well? "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 1, 2007 2:23 PM:

" I wonder how Rashid's set up will look like. Can you have under age teens in the facility where there is a bar and booze? Personally, I have a problem with it and wouldn't allow my children to patronize this business, but others might. Just curious....how many of you would allow your teens to visit The Rum Jungle during the weeknights? "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 1, 2007 2:06 PM:

" Rashid: A bit of advice though...if you are to become a businessman you might want to be more businesslike. You already seem to be making some enemies here with your responses and attitude toward the public. How young can a teen be to visit your bar/restaurant on a weeknight? Good luck. "

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Lodian wrote on Jun 1, 2007 2:06 PM:

" Rashid: I don't care if you open a bar/restaurant or not. Doesn't really matter, except that your under 21 idea could cause some real problems downtown....a lot more than any movie theater problem. As you said, it's your business/money etc, but you would sure be wise to rethink your idea about inviting the under 21's during the weeknights. "

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kh wrote on Jun 1, 2007 12:12 PM:

" highschooler... it happens. I graduated 3 years ago (damn that makes me feel old) and people think if you are in highschool or in this general age area that you automatically dont know anything about anything. Its a sad prejudice. What does a person's race matter if they want to open a business??? Does that automatically deter from their business operating skills? Some people in this town really do ashame me with their narrow-mindedness "

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T & C wrote on Jun 1, 2007 10:50 AM:

" You're right, Rashid. If you aren't one of the wine bunglers and tasting room owners, you aren't wanted in Lodi. Those wineries around Highway 12 send drivers that're impaired down that nasty highway all hours of the day and night. Welcome to Lodi. Aren't there sixty-some wineries out there, all with tasting rooms? "

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Highschooler: wrote on Jun 1, 2007 8:38 AM:

" Iam a highschoooler at lodi high and although i have no interest in ever attending this night club I understand that this would be incredibly more convenient for the "over 21 crowd" then going to Sac. & I think it would be great to have this in Lodi!& by the way Just to let all you bloggers know. I don't appreciate assuming that all highschoolers in lodi are irresponsible. "

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Rashid wrote on Jun 1, 2007 3:18 AM:

" Im not even a muslim for all you who think about its haram to drink. Get a life. GO after the winerys who have tastings and customers driving home drunk. i dont see not a single interest in that til your daughter or son get killed by one. Only react after the fact but mulsim is on the line then over react before he attacks and really lower your terror level its a bar/rest. not a binladen camp "

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Rashid wrote on Jun 1, 2007 3:16 AM:

" I really dont care anymore what anyone thinks. This is my money and my property im going to open this with the right security and pay the city alot of tax revenue and what are you going to do for this city but kick all your kids dollars to other citys to make them richer and our town broke as joe ( the bum ex vet on street corner near you). poorer since no one cares about the real issues. Just the arab name rashid. "

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to ToWhatAboutTheLaw wrote on May 31, 2007 10:35 PM:

" Yes, it does look like the other Lodian(who posted on May 31, 2007 9:02 AM) has some strange ideas on how teens should behave and how adults are involved. "

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sam wrote on May 31, 2007 4:27 PM:

" KH, I grew up hanging out at The Graduate in Stockton. I was under-aged and did not drink, but loved the pool tables and the company. I understood your blog to say that you did NOT drink now. Great blog. Weird people on this blog, so ignore the idiots. I agree with you that this place could be awesome. Go Rashids and good luck with your new venture. "

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kh wrote on May 31, 2007 4:12 PM:

" Just be happy we arent florida, where 18 year olds get let into a bar with not even an i.d. do you all expect that your kids would just love to stay home with their parents every night? thats a bore. they/we want to go out with our friends and find freedom. would you rather them doing it driving to sac or at least staying in lodi? "

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kh wrote on May 31, 2007 4:11 PM:

" because i myself know what its like to need something to do. Im sorry but a skate park isnt really that much fun for most girls. Girls generally like to dance... whether or not guys are there to dance with its just fun. It doesnt matter how the kids are raised because they will make their own choices no matter what their parents have 'taught them' if they choose to drink, they will find a way. Trust me Ive seen it done. "

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ToWhatAboutTheLaw wrote on May 31, 2007 2:45 PM:

" Lodian is under the impression that it is the duty of all adults to set a good example for her kids. "

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Lodian wrote on May 31, 2007 1:38 PM:

" What about the law Lodian: Personally, I hope no kids turn out to be like Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan....nothing even close. These are tow very sad young ladies with many personal problems. Hopefully some day they can sort it all out and live some kind of life that resembles normal. It is shocking how many girls look up to them and their parents allow and encourage it. "

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Metric Time System wrote on May 31, 2007 1:32 PM:

" Save your Dad's money Rashid. Opening a drunk club where there will be constant excessive drinking, drug use, fighting, and I assume a lack of good manners, doesn't benefit a community. "

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Lodian wrote on May 31, 2007 11:23 AM:

" KH: Please explain why you feel the Rum Jungle would be welcome especially since they will be making weeknights for underage teens? And how young do you think these teens can/should be in order to patronize this establishment? I think that encouraging/allowing underage teens to visit a place that is usually a bar, except for weeknights, is NOT a healthy choice for teenagers. No parent will allow this, and if they do the kids will most likely be trouble for the owner as these kids are probably not well supervised and guided well by their parents. "

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Lodian wrote on May 31, 2007 11:14 AM:

" Lodian @ 9:02am: Why did you say that a lot of teenagers handle their liquor better than adults? How have you come to this conclusion? "

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What about the law Lodian wrote on May 31, 2007 11:02 AM:

" Why do teen drinking advocates bring in adults to make their point? Yes,adults do not always act responsibly, I agree. However, underage drinking is illegal. I am tired of teens being compared to adults. I guess we just want Lodi teens to grow up to be Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan. "

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Lodian wrote on May 31, 2007 9:02 AM:

" Some teens can handle their liquor better than alot of adults I've seen. Adults should be setting a good example. "

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12x wrote on May 31, 2007 8:12 AM:

" Rashid: You might have the best intentions but your dream isn't reality. Your proposed business will be just what others are predicting, a failure. Historically, these businesses are forced to close because of alcohol related problems. That's why there aren't any of these clubs currently operating in the area. Antonio's: closed. Stockton Rocks: closed. Rum Jungle, if opened: will be closed. On paper it might look good. In practice, it can't be managed and will fail. "

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kh wrote on May 31, 2007 7:29 AM:

" where did I ever say anything about myself drinking? I dying to know. After watching drunk people at my parents bar when I was younger i have no intest in being 'drunk' I never hung out at the theater, I wasnt a 13 year old found in an alley. I dont care what other people think about this. Im just expressing what I THINK. And I think the Rum Jungle would be a great addition. Better than Mojos, where the owner told me to make a fake id to get into his bar. yeah... thats good business.... "

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To Rashid wrote on May 31, 2007 1:05 AM:

" I understand you are 22 years old? What are your professional qualifications to run this business? What have you been doing the last five years since you left high school? Have you learned how to run a big operation like this? Have you ever supervised employees before? What business college did you get your training? Oh and how well did you do in high school? Did you ever get your GED? "

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Kh wants to know wrote on May 30, 2007 3:38 PM:

" what the big deal is. For starters you can read the blog and see what the big deal is. You cant even do that and you think we should let you drink? pleaseeee "

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Glad to know wrote on May 30, 2007 3:33 PM:

" I'm so glad to know every teenager, 20 yr old and college kids are all for the new nightclub. "

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kh wrote on May 30, 2007 2:46 PM:

" I dont understand why, if Rashid is willing top put forth the extra measures for security, anyone would think this would be bad. If it gives people something fun and enjoyable to do, and all the laws are followed what is the big deal? "

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kh wrote on May 30, 2007 2:46 PM:

" Ima 20y/o in Lodi, I think the proposed project would be very welcome to Lodi. Especially with his comments about making weeknights for the underage. I know how hard it is to find something to do and the nearest thing is the hookah bar in stockton. Being that I will be 21 in 6 months, I very look forward to it because I know the 'bar scene' is not my thing, as my parents owned a bar the first 11 years of my life. "

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class of 98' wrote on May 30, 2007 1:02 PM:

" I just want to commend Rashid for having the patience to listen to all the half whitted lodi parents who think he should invest HIS money on a teen center. If he thought a teen center would be successful im sure he would go for it, but its not. The teens are already drinking at the alleyway behind the theatre obviously. "

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To Lodian wrote on May 30, 2007 12:44 PM:

" I'm speechless. "

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Lodian wrote on May 30, 2007 9:42 AM:

" Rashid: If you are to make the weekday nights for the 18 and under crowd you will only be getting kids that are not well parented/supervised. No one I know will allow their under 18 kid to patronize a business such as this. This will be a problem for you as you will be a babysitter for kids that may be trouble makers. Besides, who wants to teach their kids how to enjoy the club/bar scene atmosphere? Not me. This place is starting to sound like big trouble. "

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Seriously! wrote on May 30, 2007 9:40 AM:

" Why can't we have rational debates without spewing the hate and racism? Good grief! I want national security, and safer borders. But at the same time, I don't want to falsely assume that an American who wants to open a legitimate business is up to no good. I would rather see something other than a nightclub, but believe me, that won't make kids do what they already do anyway! It starts at home, folks! "

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Lodian wrote on May 30, 2007 9:38 AM:

" I am more concerned now that I have read Rashid's comments on his new bar/restaurant. Is this the same type of establishment that is in New York? It's a chain, right? After checking out the website it does appear to be a huge bar scene. Right, Rashid? Why is Rashid downplaying the bar aspect of this business? (rhetorical) "

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Lodian wrote on May 30, 2007 9:33 AM:

" middle aged voice: Actually, Lodi has become much more diverse since I was a child growing up here. The diversity will continue to expand as Lodi grows. "

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Lodian wrote on May 30, 2007 9:30 AM:

" It is wise for a community to embrace, engage and involve it's youth. That is what makes a town like Lodi a place where people want to raise their family. Unless this is Las Vegas, children should be welcomed here. There are things for the youth of Lodi to do here, but there is always room for more...especially since Lodi has grown (and will grow) so much. "

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Middle Aged, cont. wrote on May 30, 2007 8:21 AM:

" 4. This proposed business is for 18 $ up, so you parents need to get a handle on your little darlings who are overdosing behind the theater. Whether this business opened or not, it wouldn't effect 13 year olds drinking. 5. When I grew up in S. Cal. we had a few 18 & up establishments. With proper security we had many years of a fun place to go to. In closing, I am a middle aged, caucasian woman. I have a teenage daughter who would probably enjoy something like this. "

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middle aged voice wrote on May 30, 2007 8:20 AM:

" several issues. 1. Roger, you're an idiot. 2. Lodi residents in general want to keep their "quiet, little town, filled with WHITE people".(take a look around town at the color, or lack of, people) therefore, they are against someone with the name "Rashid" to succeed in business. 3. The cops of Lodi...don't get me started. Majorily prejudice,from what I see. They will target this establishment. "

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To Rashid wrote on May 30, 2007 8:17 AM:

" I would rather see Lodi try to keep its small town feel so people want to pay all the money for our homes and raise their families here. Do you own a home here Rashid? I am so not concerned with Lodi having a good club scene. Drive to Scarmento for that. Haven't you ever heard the expression "Don't shi* where you eat?" If the greedy CC continues to approve these dumps it won't take many nightclubs, massage parlors, casinos, head shops, sex shops, etc to make a town this size feel like Las Vegas. "

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GovAgent wrote on May 30, 2007 5:28 AM:

" I think we need to be more creative, there is too much surrounding alcohol. Alcohol has been the catalist to rape, murder, robbery, and even death! the highest number of deaths! keep drinking at home! HOW ABOUT TEACH YOUR KIDS ABOUT THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES AND THE PROBLEMS OF GETTING FOOD AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES! GIVE THE KIDS SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO DO BY HELPING OTHERS. TEACH THEM TO DO SELFLESS ACTS, NOT SELFISH ACTS. KIDS OF AMERICA, CONSIDER ALL YOUR BLESSINGS! "

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GovAgent wrote on May 30, 2007 5:18 AM:

" WHEN IS IT THE CITIES RESPONSIBILTY TO ENTERTAIN YOUR TEENS! I GREW UP HERE IN LODI AND HAD FRIENDS, SPORTS ECT. SO WHAT! IT IS THE IDLE TIME THAT GETS YOUTH IN TROUBLE. PARENTS NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME WITH THEIR KIDS, OR DID THEY FORGET THAT! YES YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR KIDS. THERE ARE MORE CHURCH FUNCTIONS AND ACTIVITIES NOW, WE DIDNT HAVE ANY! RASHID RASHID> YOUR BUSINESS WILL DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD FOR LODI, AND WHEN IT FAILS WATCH FOR THE FIRE! "

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GovAgent wrote on May 30, 2007 5:00 AM:

" This is a time bomb waiting to explode. You cannot expect to allow 18 yr olds in a place and have drinking for adults. You know what will happen! must I say more or do you people get it! rashid rashid! grow up, under age drinking and doing drugs is not cool. Lodi youth need protection from this type of adult activity! "

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lodi man wrote on May 29, 2007 7:52 PM:

" i think that this club would be a great thing for lodi "

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No Teen Center wrote on May 29, 2007 7:36 PM:

" A teen center is not the answer. It should be parenting classes for Lodi Parents. The parents of this town just want a dumping ground for the brats that they created. "

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Rashid (cont.) wrote on May 29, 2007 6:32 PM:

" I don't mind paying to help support the Lodi Police Department. I want to see Lodi have a decent nightlife, not just bars, which are purely alcohol based. What the Lodi News Sentinel didn't mention is that summer weekday nights are going to be for the 18 and under crowd. To also address the racism which is immature and ignorant, I was born and raised in America and this is my country. "

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Rashid wrote on May 29, 2007 6:27 PM:

" I know some people are against me opening a night club ............But I Promise this will not turn into just another Bar, and it will have adequate security with metal detectors, unlike Mojos. There will also be many security guards patrolling the nearby area and alleys to ensure the patrons safety and to ensure there is no vandalism. We will be bringing more life to Sacramento St. which would also bring revenue to surrounding areas. Another positive is less house parties for cops to constantly be breaking up. "

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To: To seriously wrote on May 29, 2007 4:56 PM:

" . . . you may be correct. If so, it means I posted to the wrong blog. If I did, sorry about that. "

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To Seriously wrote on May 29, 2007 2:15 PM:

" And what post misused the word? NobODY DID! "

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Seriously! wrote on May 29, 2007 12:44 PM:

" . . . all you people on here ranting about the CC and making a difference are laughable. Get some intelligent dialogues going if you want to be heard. And for gosh sake! Learn the difference between "there" and "their." You don't impress anyone! "

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Lodian wrote on May 29, 2007 10:56 AM:

" There is no good reason to have a club atmosphere set up for people under 21. "

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CONTINUED wrote on May 29, 2007 10:52 AM:

" All they care about is getting rich at OUR expense. "

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continued wrote on May 29, 2007 10:51 AM:

" The members of the CC's kid just got arrested for auto theft, you think he cares about a little underage drinking? Go read the rant on the article about the casino opening. Its in better detail. the currnet members of the CC DONT CARE ABOUT LODI, THE RESIDENTS, THE HOMEOWNERS, OR THE KIDS. END OF STORY. "

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To DD wrote on May 29, 2007 10:49 AM:

" The CC will approve it. They will promise the revenue from this business will get Lodi out of its financial mess (that they got us into) and then take the money and pay theirselves 15-20k a year raises and send you the $1200.00 bill for the water meters. Then it will be your property value that decreases due to the fact that the crime rate will go up and nobody will want to pay top dollar for your home anymore. "

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well.. wrote on May 29, 2007 9:56 AM:

" I know that the "Rashid" name is not known for any good reasons. That may even cause problems for the passing of this club. It should be 21 and older, because we all know that the 18 year olds will just get drunk before they go. "

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WY wrote on May 29, 2007 8:42 AM:

" Jeremy... :) Thanks for you service! "

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DD wrote on May 28, 2007 12:49 PM:

" Didnt we just have a situation in Lodi where some "innocent" (LOL) young lady awoke to find herself raped by two hispanic gentleman after nightclubbing with them? What about underage drinkers who consume their beverages in the alleys around this establishment before entering? Does Lodi want more of this kind of behavior in their town?I think not.... "

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DD wrote on May 28, 2007 12:45 PM:

" This bird will never fly. the city will never approve it. I would recommend to Mr. Rashid that he build and open some type of Scandia (fun center) type bisness. Lodi could use that a lot more, and he would still make $$ hand over fist. "

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Richard wrote on May 27, 2007 8:19 PM:

" But wit there's also that other 18+CLUB IN TOWN...... Stooge's lol "

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Richard wrote on May 27, 2007 8:17 PM:

" Why don't you just proposition Ryan from El Rancho to move his bar downtown along with police involvement, it could work. Otherwise 18+ club will not work. I support an 18+ club which doesn't furnish alcohol and provides teens live music, pool, or whatever activities they choose... but I believe we already have the teen center. "

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LOL wrote on May 27, 2007 10:13 AM:

" Lodi has a bunch of idiots living in it. LOL. "

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Keoki wrote on May 26, 2007 8:48 PM:

" No keep it away from Lodi.One Mojo,is enough and having a club for teens is just as bad. "

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Jeremy (cont) wrote on May 26, 2007 6:13 PM:

" What if this could in fact be a classy, well run establishment, a place for the 21-30 crowd to party, and enjoy themselves. Would it really make Lodi a bad city, and a horrible place to raise a family? Nope, but it could bring new opportunities, and maybe even some new job prospects. I say go for it "

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Jeremy wrote on May 26, 2007 6:12 PM:

" I am a 24 y/o soldier who grew up in the Lodi/Lockeford area, with nothing to do. When I come home to visit my parents I see that there is still nothing to do. Its sad that there are young adults living in a city that basically freaks out over what seems to be a good idea. In the past 6 years I have been in 5 countries, and 4 states, and yes, you will see a possible slight rise in problems, but do they outweigh the possibilities that this could bring to the city? "

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Just Moved wrote on May 26, 2007 2:44 PM:

" I just recently moved to lodi so that i wouldn't have to drive so far to have a good time. I think that having a night club would be a wonderful idea if it was ONLY 21+ However, what about the teenagers. They need something too. How about a night club that is only 20 and under. The Fun House in Modesto was a great place to go to when I was that age. Everyone needs some fun without having to drive all over creation for it! "

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To: Give it a try wrote on May 26, 2007 12:53 PM:

" Perhaps while you are in college you should concentrate more on your communication skills than your social life. That is if "you got the time." "

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OMG Lodian wrote on May 26, 2007 12:38 PM:

" has an adult internet business? Thats nice, no wonder her family life, business life, and personal life are in the state there in. "

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idiot has spoken wrote on May 26, 2007 10:54 AM:

" Its always the irresponsible idiots that want to "give it a try" because they never have anything to lose. "

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Give it a try.. wrote on May 25, 2007 10:48 PM:

" Lodians pull the sticks out of your butts and let us good college kids have a good time, not all of us are bad. But I do agree it should be 21+. But cant we atleast give it a try? We got to start realizing its not the same lodi as it used to be, especially with the starbucks on every corner, but with change there comes good and bad things. This may be a good thing.. "

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niggaplease wrote on May 25, 2007 10:05 PM:

" All you crap talkers shut up your all jealous!! why would they burn down there own store when they freakin had 4 million dollar of merchandise in there store! it a good idea to give adults somewhere else to hangout in Lodi! "

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agreed wrote on May 25, 2007 9:27 PM:

" I agree Derek. All these people that want to "give it a chance" why bother? We've been giving them chances and we have a history of how these businesses cause problems in our community. It will be the same thing with the cardroom. Its so much easier to keep a business from opening than it is to close it down. The writings on the wall with this one. Our CC is so goofy it will more than likely get approved and the community wil suffer the consequences as they just sit back and continue to give theirself more raises. "

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nylodian wrote on May 25, 2007 6:56 PM:

" We live in a college town that with bars that let 18 year olds in. This has obviously supported a lot of underage drinking and all the ills that go with it. I say either change the drinking age to 18 or enforce every bar as 21 and over. "

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Derek Fereal wrote on May 25, 2007 4:49 PM:

" Are you kidding me? There are reasons that young adults in Lodi travel to Stockton or Sacramento to enjoy the nightlife. It is because those are large enough cities to adequately host those types of bars and night clubs. All one has to do is look briefly into Lodi's past to see this is a horrible idea. Antonio's= great deal of violence/death/... CLOSED DOWN. Legends= much of the same... also closed down! Mojo's= Already infamous for the fighting that occurs there. "

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Metric Time System wrote on May 25, 2007 12:15 PM:

" The Koran strictly prohibits the use of alcohol, yet those idiot hijackers of 911 were known to frequent the bars and clubs where they were living. Of course how many Islamists truly believe the Koran verbatim? I would say none, unless you can find someone living as if it was still the 7th century, and be involved in all 6 pillars of religious duty, including jihad, at some level. "

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Rockin_R wrote on May 25, 2007 11:45 AM:

" Whoa Nelli: Ah, the Brickworks..II Stud..John Shermans.. don't forget the Rooster Tail, Gino's (renamed II Stud), Humps Bar & Grille.. the 80's were the heyday of the club and live music scene in this area. My band played at all those venues, and headlined the "farewell to the Brickworks".. something along the lines of those places would be great, without the underaged revelers. Having the under 21's is a problem waiting to happen. "

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The Parking Lot Next To The Bus Station... wrote on May 25, 2007 9:01 AM:

" ...Is gonna be the "NEW Hangout" for Drugs, prostitution, street racing, drunks, under age drinking, and those 16-20 that have cars but no where to hang out! The CITY can enjoy "CLEANING UP the litter and broken beer and whiskey bottles (7) Seven days a week as the winds blow the debris up and down an otherwise clean street! "

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Hey essayja? wrote on May 25, 2007 8:55 AM:

" That "Import store fire began in the basement 15 minutes after the business closed. And they got PAID over 1 MILLION dollars. I rode the buses 4-5 times a day and I NEVER saw customers come and go...only the same 5 vehicles! Of course the same INSURER is going to provide "FIRE" coverage! "

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Qyote From LPD Chief Adams 5-25-07... wrote on May 25, 2007 8:52 AM:

" "Our resources are not unlimited," Adams said of the force, which often has less than half a dozen uniformed officers on the streets at any given time. "We've got the rest of the city to provide resources for". Well guess what? If this rowdy place opens your 6 cops are all gonna be there! "

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wow wrote on May 24, 2007 11:18 PM:

" Right across the street from the transit station.... LOL good luck MV I can just see what the transit busses will look like after all the vandalism. I wonder how many of the drivers will be surprised by drunks sleeping in or under the busses in the morning....lol "

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Hi Aimee wrote on May 24, 2007 11:05 PM:

" How are you? "

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lodi sucks wrote on May 24, 2007 11:00 PM:

" Come on people.Everyone against the opening of this club are all white middle aged snooty people who wanna keep this growing city from expanding and becoming a successful entertainment filled city for young adults. Im tired of constantly being tod there is nothing to do in lodi!...but is is so true. "

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Lodian's Offspring wrote on May 24, 2007 7:50 PM:

" Help! Will somebody please call CPS, as my mother buys us no groceries and chain smokes as she runs her "adult" business on the internet all day! We have no money for clothes either. God Bless you all, and we hope that someday my mom will allow us to attend church again. "

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Lodian wrote on May 24, 2007 5:34 PM:

" I can't wait until my teen turns 21 and then he can go have a good time at the Jungle facility! Woo Hoo! As it is, he's already hooked up with people on MySpace. "

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To: Essayjay wrote on May 24, 2007 5:33 PM:

" You must be one of them! Wave your Muslim or Pakistan flag like a fool. Only Anti-American types get so defensive. You must be him, or his relative. Lalalalala! "

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Oh Yeah..... wrote on May 24, 2007 4:54 PM:

" The proposed location for this nightclub is very poorly lighted at night! Perfect for hiding open containers, drug transactions, weapons, and "hooking up up hookers or someone to "Buy underage friends alcohol! Residents are not blind to this terrible idea for downtown Lodi. But, the City Council will sign off on it and wil try to handle the problems that arise. With all available police in one place due to a brawl, crime will flourish! "

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essayjay wrote on May 24, 2007 3:14 PM:

" Whoever mentioned Taliban is really ignorant, for many reason, but most of all, in case you didn't know, there are no nightclubs with dancing and liquor anywhere near anyone in the Taliban. Try reading a little more and turn off the TV. "

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essayjay wrote on May 24, 2007 3:13 PM:

" Who will insure this business? The same company that insured the import store? "

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Lodian wrote on May 24, 2007 11:43 AM:

" to "To cmd": What are you talking about? Do you know? You sound like one of those jerks that sits across the room staring at someone and whispering behind their back, but just loud enough for the person to hear you. I've got you pegged, don't I? LOL! You poor tortured soul. Grow up and join the grown up discussion. "

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To cmd wrote on May 24, 2007 10:46 AM:

" Yeah, because in Lodians mind, two wrongs make a right. "

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Lodian wrote on May 24, 2007 9:34 AM:

" cmd: In your scenario, who will these daughters be having sex with? Oh ya, boys! You never mention the male factor when making these kinds of statements. Do you have boys or something? "

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RUM JUNGLE, NOT! wrote on May 24, 2007 9:29 AM:

" A 22 YEAR OLD WHO WOULD BE MOSTLY IN CHARGE OF 450 PEOPLE? SOUNDS LIKE A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN? HOW ABOUT SOMEONE WITH SOME MATURITY AND EXPERIENCE. WHAT EXPERIENCE DO THESE CHARACTERS HAVE WITH NIGHTCLUBS? ALSO WRISTBANDS TO IDENTIFY 21+ YEAR OLD CUSTOMERS? UNDERAGE DRINKING? YOU BET! CLEARLY THESE GUYS HAVE NO BUSINESS OPERATING A NIGHTCLUB. CITY OF LODI WILL NEVER APPROVE IT! "

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Lodian wrote on May 24, 2007 9:29 AM:

" continued...Who knows, maybe if Lodi had more offerings for this "teen set" you may not have had as much trouble. I can also guarantee that no matter how many offerings there are "some" teens will always find a way to be destructive. There will always be kids like this so don't blame ALL teens for the bad deeds of a segment of the teen population. Your comments are always all encompassing. Have you ever met a teen you like? I have a feeling you hate all of them. "

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Lodian wrote on May 24, 2007 9:27 AM:

" To"toLodian/continued": You're obviously extremely angry, maybe even so spittin' mad that you can't see straight. I am sorry you have had such a horrible time as a business owner. You obviously hate teenagers. Sorry to hear that. Not all teenagers are like the kids you describe. Maybe you owned the bowling alley, skate-rink or maybe a downtown business(by the theater?). Anyway, my "little darlings" have things to do, thank you. There is, however, a lot of teenagers/kids in this town now(more to come)and it would benefit the community to encourage kid/teen friendly businesses and city/community based programs and facilities....continued... "

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Lodian wrote on May 24, 2007 8:53 AM:

" sam: I agree with your post on May 23 3:14 PM. "

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Businessperson wrote on May 24, 2007 8:18 AM:

" When some of these businesses existed in Lodi they weren't "taken away" as some have suggested. They DIDN'T make money. They DIDN'T have the clientel to make it work. I love they way many of you suggest someone should just throw money at these projects to take care of your children. If it doesn't make business sense it's not going to happen. Quite looking for someone else to take care of your problems! "

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Businessperson wrote on May 24, 2007 8:14 AM:

" I love the way many of you toss around bowling alley's, minature golf, ice skating etc. Individuals make business decisions before these are built. It has to do with how much income the business generates and what the expenses will be along with other management issues. I someone thought this could make money, they'd build one. (continued) "

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OTH wrote on May 24, 2007 7:06 AM:

" I thought it was illegal to have minors in an establishment that does not serve food. If they stop serving food at 8 why would minors be allowed upstairs where only alcohol is served? Katzakian is like Howdy Doody He doesn't say anything until somebody tells him to. "

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cmd wrote on May 24, 2007 4:31 AM:

" watch out parents, this comes to town and your kids are going to start (shhhhh) having SEX. kind of like if you protect your daughters against HPV with the shot w/out telling them anything other than its a required vaccination for school, they are going to start having sex as well. lol. "

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STOP THE PRESSES! wrote on May 24, 2007 4:25 AM:

" I have the solution! It's Simple! Just have the owner pay the city 9% of the profits and forget about all the legitimate concerns and problems that will result when this club opens! "

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Everyone Knows That.... wrote on May 24, 2007 4:24 AM:

" If this were truly going to be such a well managed nightclub, as we are led to believe, then a professional manager from a reputable club would be bragged out using, not the 22 year old inexperienced son of the owner! For ALL OF THE ABOVE REASONS THIS APPLICATION SHOULD BE TURNED DOWN! But as other's have said, the City will approve it and we in lodi will pay the price! "

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Everyone Knows That.... wrote on May 24, 2007 4:21 AM:

" (1) ONE security person patrolling this club "Isn't going to SEE or DO anything when a fight breaks out. Plus, for police to wade thru 450 party animals looking for a suspect who has now changed clothes, well...drug activity and fights will flourish! Oh...before I forget...Who is going to keep guys and gals out of the other sexes bathroom? "

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Everyone Knows That.... wrote on May 24, 2007 4:18 AM:

" During ANY LARGE EVENT DOWNTOWN...people will "PARK" blocks away to get to downtown. The CITY is not going to profit here! Every Free parking space will be taken up within BLOCKS! Instead of a "Nice walk in the evening around downtown we will have to get past Rowdy groups of people DRUNK or on their way to being drunk! "

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Everyone Knows That.... wrote on May 24, 2007 4:16 AM:

" There is a "VERY GOOD REASON" there has been NO MENTION of "the night club using 8-12 "HIGH QUALITY CCTV Cameras to monitor what 450 party people are doing to help identify and prosecte criminal behavior. "

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Everyone Knows That.... wrote on May 24, 2007 4:13 AM:

" This Proposed "Nightclub should have the "SAME NUMBER of Bathrooms as the Downtown Cinema! "

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Everyone Knows That.... wrote on May 24, 2007 4:12 AM:

" This proposed "Nightclub" should be required to have (4) Four times the number of Security that Mojo's has to handle (4) times the patrons! "

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BP wrote on May 24, 2007 12:57 AM:

" I support Scuba Steve, let's make a place for Lodi youth to go and hang out, party and dance where there is no alcohol. They are always complaining they have nothing to do and no place to go, so let's put an end to that argument. Lodi does not need another drinking establishment, especially on Sacramento Street. "

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YESS!!!!!!! wrote on May 23, 2007 11:45 PM:

" FINALLY Something FUN to do in LODI!!!!!!!! omg! this is the best idea EVER!!!!! Lodi is like the most boringets city in the nation! about time people started to realize it1 why do u think we find drunk underage girls in alleys?! lodi sucks!!! "

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The Lodi kids wrote on May 23, 2007 11:15 PM:

" The Lodi kids can pay a cover charge to booty dance and carry on. At least we'll have them all contained under the same roof where they can underage drink, pass out, vandalise and carry on. At 2am just don't be out on the road because they'll be street racing drunk on their way home. "

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To Lodian wrote on May 23, 2007 11:03 PM:

" May I suggest you get your kids involved in a local church or community volunteer work? You should worry more about the people they are going to become someday instead of how much fun they can have along the way. Parents should encourage their kids to do things for others instead of theriselves so we don't raise a whole generation of narcisistic brats. "

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I agree with age limitt wrote on May 23, 2007 10:55 PM:

" The age limit needs to be 21 and they need to check fake ids at the door otherwise all the 13 and 14 year olds will be drinking and passing out in the alleys. "

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To Duh: wrote on May 23, 2007 10:52 PM:

" Lodian is still in Kansas, trust me on this one. "

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continued wrote on May 23, 2007 10:48 PM:

" To work work your ass off and risk your whole future just to have Lodi parents and teenagers complain and never be satisfied. Lodian, maybe the message the city of lodi is trying to send you is "no thanks, been there and done that" Lodian, you should open a new business to entertain these teenagers. I couldn't think of a more deserving person to find out first hand all the nightmares I speak of. "

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continued wrote on May 23, 2007 10:45 PM:

" dont want to take responsibilty for their own kids, and get ready to kiss the butts of these teenagers or you'll have their miserable parents in your face screaming at you and threatening to sue you, and get ready to have your business and others continually broken into by the same teenagers that destroyed your potential to make money earlier that day, and get ready "

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continued wrote on May 23, 2007 10:43 PM:

" Of visiting your new business is to rob you, and get ready to have good paying customers run out of your new business because you have a bunch of skateborders loitering around and breaking benches and fences to build illegal skate ramps, and get ready to wait for the LPD to take forever to respond to your call because they are too busy on other calls because people "

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continued wrote on May 23, 2007 10:40 PM:

" Maybe you should fund the project and build it yourself. And Lodian, get ready to buy some expensive insurance to pay for all the lawsuits from the Lodi parents, and get ready for all the loitering brats whose parents just dump them off at your new business, and get ready for everyone to complain about how expensive your services are, and get ready to babysit a bunch of ingrateful brats whose sole purpose .. "

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continued wrote on May 23, 2007 10:38 PM:

" If the city allows a new business they make money from the tax revenue. If you could get out of your selfish little box you always accuse others of being in, what sounds like a better business proposition to you? The city of Lodi doesn't revolve around you and your family or your teenagers. If you really want these things so badly for the lodi teen set (it just cracks me up when you say that)........... "

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continued wrote on May 23, 2007 10:34 PM:

" Maybe then you ingrateful parents will get the message loud and clear that lodi is done catering to the needs of your snot nosed brats. Lodian, use your pee brain for a minute and consider this. The city (taxpayers) build a skatepark and have to set aside money not for normal maitenance, but to rebuild every 6 months due to vandalism. "

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continued wrote on May 23, 2007 10:32 PM:

" Maybe everyone in this town is sick of listening to you whine and cry about how everyone owes it to your kids. and maybe people are tired of all the b.s. excuses that get used when the "teens" go on one of their destructive tirades. The solution? Lets keep on building bars and cardrooms and cut the budget way back when it comes to bowling alleys and skating rinks. "

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to Lodian wrote on May 23, 2007 10:29 PM:

" You ask what message is Lodi sending to the community? Let me spell it out for you Lodian...Maybe the taxpayers are sick and tired of building skate parks over and over again that the "lodi teens" keep vandalising due to lack of supervision from their parents. Maybe lodi is trying to tell you they're sick of listening to you and other ignorant parents complain that their little darlings have nothing to do. "

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Brass Monkey wrote on May 23, 2007 9:57 PM:

" I haven't heard a coherent argument for or against this project anywhere in these blogs. "

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essayjay wrote on May 23, 2007 8:52 PM:

" Yeah we need another bar downtown, a block away from the kiddie museum. See article on Lodi teens having a drinking problem. "

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Gurdy burdy wrote on May 23, 2007 8:01 PM:

" Rashid!!!! Haram? "

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JJ wrote on May 23, 2007 7:27 PM:

" Have you ever wondered why we don't have good clean family fun in this town? They took away the boweling alley. We don't have minature golf, ice skating, roller skating, the drive-in movies, activities for families to do things together instead of dropping our teens off in front of the movie theater and now a place dance place on Sacramento st? what gives here? "

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oh wrote on May 23, 2007 6:23 PM:

" Pipe dream! "

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D_M wrote on May 23, 2007 6:17 PM:

" Okay, I'll admit I'm stereotyping here, but who in the heck wants a nightclub in Lodi, owned by "Rashid". Sorry man, but after the whole 9/11 incident I'd be afraid you would have ties with the Taliban. "Oh say can you see, by the dawn's early light...!" "

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? wrote on May 23, 2007 5:07 PM:

" smartest idea anyone(Rashid)has thought of for lodi's downtown parking structure issuse that is making cent$ not sense nobody parks in it. On average the rum jungle will bring in on avg.100-200 cars on a weekend minimum and they will most likely park in the parking structure Hopefuly but who knows we will find out who is going to make CENT$ and the city will profit from the parking and taxs and outside of town dress code enforced customers which brings money to gas stations, hotels, food joints, etc. which brings in taxes for city much needed reserve.$$$ "

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DUH? wrote on May 23, 2007 4:53 PM:

" Teen clubs and ice cream parlors do not make money!!! bowling alleys and skating rinks take too much of our high priced land and cant bring in the dough to support it! Didnt any of you go to school? We arent in kansas anymore. "

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could be fun.. wrote on May 23, 2007 4:05 PM:

" Well I support it and think Lodi does need a nice place to go besides El Rancho which has gotten way to ghetto and scary, and Mojos which is all a bunch of snootyness! I just think it should be a 21+ club! if not the 18yr olds will find a way to drink in there! "

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Whoa Nellie! wrote on May 23, 2007 3:55 PM:

" Slow down people! Let's give them a chance. I too see it only working as 21+. The name "Rum Jungle" is a ripoff from the Vegas Mandalay Bay resort. Finally, in my time we had Brick Works, John Shermans, and TwoStud in the area for dancing. There were no "Dirty Dancing" whiners & complainers then. Let's have one nice joint for the 21-30 crowd to go dancing. "

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sam wrote on May 23, 2007 3:14 PM:

" Lodian, if you and others want more kid friendly places, open one or two. It is that simple. If Rashid's want to open a nightclub, instead of a kid zone, that is their choice, their money, and their business. Good luck, Rashids. "

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Lodian wrote on May 23, 2007 3:01 PM:

" After going to the link to the New York establishment I see that this place looks like a lot more than just a bar. "

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Not Surprised wrote on May 23, 2007 3:00 PM:

" You really don't think that the Lodi PD is gonna allow a fun establishment in Lodi, do you? They can not handle the small little regular establishments much less a real dance club. This town is the worse for entertainment and dining and they would rather keep it that way. "

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Lodian wrote on May 23, 2007 2:59 PM:

" Lodi youth: My children are/were made to follow all kinds of rules on a daily basis, so not sure what your problem is here. Do you just need someone to be your punching bag cause ya can't find one? "I would love to sit back and watch them try to get out of real life". Yep, you certainly do sound just like the type of person that would enjoy such things. "

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bored lodian wrote on May 23, 2007 2:55 PM:

" its about time! "

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New Yorker wrote on May 23, 2007 2:45 PM:

" It's just a night club....god. It's not the end of the world. People in Lodi are funny lol XD. "

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all in favor wrote on May 23, 2007 2:19 PM:

" This is a cinch to go. Hansen, Johnson and Katzakian will all fall over themselves supporting BUSINESS. That has become their mantra. Katzakian said it best regarding the card room, "I am in favor of business!" "

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Rockin_R wrote on May 23, 2007 2:13 PM:

" I don't see something as nice as Rum Jungle NYC being built on Sacramento street! "

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Lodi youth wrote on May 23, 2007 1:52 PM:

" GOOD, now the youth in this town can wait until they are 18 and pay a cover charge to booty dance. They can also play by the laws (yes lodian, rules turn into laws when they turn 21 and this is the exact reason you should have been making them follow the rules all this time) or they can go sit their little butts in jail! I would love to sit back and watch them try to get out of "real life" that the slacker parents of Lodi never taught them! "

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T & C wrote on May 23, 2007 1:42 PM:

" LG, I agree with you on the great idea, but not with the exception of anyone under 21. If the city of Lodi can promote these "wine" functions every month with drinkers driving from destination to destination and allowing shopkeepers to pour alcohol on their own premises, then why wouldn't they give a personal business a chance? Just because they aren't part of the "good ole' boyz" is no reason to shut them down. "

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Good Grief! con't wrote on May 23, 2007 1:33 PM:

" Why doesn't the owner and son think of some quality businesses and a nice restaurant to fit into the downtown scene, instead of opening up a Rum Jungle. Why not a nice ice cream parlor? A nice place to go on a Fri or Sat night where a family can go to enjoy dessert and a fun, clean atmostphere? I just don't understand why there has to be a bar on every corner and an alcohol fest every wkend. "

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Good Grief! wrote on May 23, 2007 1:31 PM:

" I thought there was supposed to be a cap, a limit on how many liquor licenses are given out in one town, and in certain radiuses. This is such a bad idea. I thought the idea of building up the downtown was to attract quality businesses, not messes such as nightclubs, drinking, and people leaving to only drive drunk. It's just plain common sense to nip this bad idea in the bud. "

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scuba steve wrote on May 23, 2007 1:25 PM:

" Why do they always have to put in bars and night clubs?Why not put in an under age club for teens?They wonder why teens are out drinking in downtown lodi.If they made a night club that was for high school and middle school students only where you had to show a school ID to get in and had all the same things as a night club minus alcohol then not only would teens have something to do but it would make alot of money. "

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I Am Sorry To Disappoint You But wrote on May 23, 2007 12:43 PM:

" The downtown area does not need 450 party animals downtown, "Supervised" by someone barely 21 himself! Speeding vechicles, accidents, drunks, drugs, fights and litter is all that will come of this and to look at Mojo's and its problems is CLEAR Evidence that the city should DENY any permit to be issued for such a horrible business in downtown. As if we do not have enough problems downtown! Raymond. "

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We've been waiting.... wrote on May 23, 2007 12:43 PM:

" Everyone in Lodi that is 21+ has been waiting for something fun to do with out having to drive to Sacramento or Modesto... This is a dream that Rashid has had for a long time now and I know he will make all the right preperations to make sure this is a safe and fun enviroment... I'm happy for you Rashid, I know I'll be there to support your new club! "

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Lodi wrote on May 23, 2007 12:20 PM:

" For Awesome - I think your attitude about the police would change if you ever need them to respond to an emergency! Remember, these people are here to help you in your time of distress. They have a thankless job - just look at your comment! "

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Lodian wrote on May 23, 2007 12:20 PM:

" Are the same people that welcome a new bar downtown the same that complain about the teenagers at the movie theater on the weekends? "

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To Lodian wrote on May 23, 2007 12:12 PM:

" In case you hadn't noticed, Lodi isn't at your disposal to help raise your kids and entertain them. Lodi makes a ton of money from the wine industry so whats better than a bar to serve it in? We should have bars on every corner, not skate parks. "

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LG wrote on May 23, 2007 12:01 PM:

" here's what a Rum Jungle is supposed to look like... http://rumjunglenyc.com/ we can only hope the one in Lodi is as nice. "

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LG wrote on May 23, 2007 11:53 AM:

" I have been to a Rum Jungle, as it's a franchise, and never seen it done as a "mixed" environment. However, I have been to clubs like that and it was not a good environment. The young ones trying to get the 21+ to sneak them liquor. I support the club at 21+ ONLY! "

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Awesome wrote on May 23, 2007 11:41 AM:

" Could only be cooler if there were cages and strippers propsed! Go Rashid! I support this 100% - about time we put some FUN in Lodi!!! P.S. - Nice try in trying to get businesses to fill the police budget gap caused by 3% @ 50 retirement. Get a *real* job, PD. "

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lodi wrote on May 23, 2007 11:32 AM:

" any club that allows patrons that are between the ages of 18-21 cannot be considered classy! "

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DB wrote on May 23, 2007 11:24 AM:

" The name alone should kill this project "

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Here comes even more trouble! wrote on May 23, 2007 11:21 AM:

" I agree....NO NO NO!!!!! Let's get someone to spend money on a Family Fun Center or a bowling alley. Lodi has enough places for people to get drunk and fight. Our youth need somewhere to go too! Regardless, this is a BAD idea! "

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Rita wrote on May 23, 2007 11:07 AM:

" Yo, Roger, you sexist, you can't have wild women without wild men!!! Get a grip...on yourself!!!!!!!!!!!! "

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Rockin_R wrote on May 23, 2007 10:58 AM:

" Which leads me to my next issue ... I hereby claim copyright to the use of "The Flaming Jungle" as the name of a nightclub in Lodi, California. Parties interested in purchasing the rights to this name should contact me at "IstealIdeas@VirtualLodi.com" *chuckle* "

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Rockin_R wrote on May 23, 2007 10:57 AM:

" I also agree that they should choose a different name and take out the reference to "rum". Those "objectionable types" in the community will use that as fodder to argue that the club simply is promoting excessive drinking. If they name it simply "The Jungle" then Lodi High alumni won't patronize the facility. So how about "The Flaming Jungle"??? "

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Rockin R wrote on May 23, 2007 10:54 AM:

" As a long time musician, I have seen clubs like this come and go. The "Carob" in Stockton was the last example of a mixed club (under-age and over-aged patrons together) that didn't work. I think this is a great idea if it is "21 and over" only, otherwise you're asking for problems that WILL inevitably occur. Unfortunately, if the club starts losing money, they won't be able to sustain hiring all the security they are envisioning NOW. That is reality. I don't see them being profitable if they have to hire LPD officers either. "

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To: Roger wrote on May 23, 2007 10:51 AM:

" And the problem is.......? "

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stuckinlodi wrote on May 23, 2007 10:23 AM:

" Are you kidding me? Sure, use metal detectors at the door, but what about the Saturday Night Special in the glove box? Get them a little drunk and worked up first, then send them to their cars. Oh, my God! Who is running this town anyway and thinks this is remotely a good idea? "

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Unbelievable wrote on May 23, 2007 10:23 AM:

" This can't happen. The fights, prostitutes, shootings and drunkenness. It'll be anarchy. There'll be complete caos throughout Lodi. That's it, I'm moving to Provo. "

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Lodian wrote on May 23, 2007 10:18 AM:

" It's interesting that this aricle about adding a new bar downtown is in the paper the same day as the article about too many teens at the downtown movie theater. Does Lodi enjoy bars and their patrons and not the teens of Lodi? What message is Lodi sending to the community? A community with many familes. "

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A.P. wrote on May 23, 2007 9:48 AM:

" Good idea! look at all the nice bars and night clubs in downtown sacramento! There's not a better location in lodi to have one! "

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ME wrote on May 23, 2007 9:33 AM:

" I don't see a problem with any establishment. There can be issues with PEOPLE but those people would have issues no matter what. I like to go out dancing and I am not a wild woman, I don't do immoral things, and I pay my taxes. Does this make me a bad person? I go to church, I'm honest and I'd go to the Rum Jungle too. "

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radone wrote on May 23, 2007 9:24 AM:

" "extra police service","dark alleys" and "possible vanalism"...come on Mr.Piombo what are the real reasons? "

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business owner wrote on May 23, 2007 9:17 AM:

" How many families are out after 9:00 pm that will be affected? I do agree with making them pay for extra police patrol. I think it could be a good situation if monitored properly "

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get with the days wrote on May 23, 2007 9:15 AM:

" The article says that it will basically ruin Lodi..just one nightclub?! Come on! Heaven forbid people actually want to stay in Lodi for the weekend...instead they are forced to go out of town and drive home at all hours of the night! If they are willing to hire private security let them..they have already run one successful business..let them open another. It would provide job oppertunities for older students which Lodi doesn't have! Lodi needs to get over itself! "

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yay! wrote on May 23, 2007 8:51 AM:

" give it a new name and it sounds good to me! but i agree that most of the people who will go there are too retarded to act responsibly and will probably end up getting the place shut down. "

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Roger wrote on May 23, 2007 8:37 AM:

" Can you imagine what this will bring to Lodi? Immoral sex acts, drunkenness, wild women, shootings, and the list goes on and on... NO! NO! NO! "

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cg wrote on May 23, 2007 8:30 AM:

" That's what the LPD is paid to do. "

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Steward wrote on May 23, 2007 8:29 AM:

" That's the ticket, a 450 person drinking establishment downtown. No problem, they will have their own security, wonder if they will have their own jail. "

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Rum Runner wrote on May 23, 2007 8:23 AM:

" Yes, Yes and Yes, While Lodi does have numerous Dive Bars in town it is indeed of a "nightclub". Hopefully putting mojo's and there gorilla security guards out of business. "

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C.K. wrote on May 23, 2007 8:14 AM:

" I think, Why not? Give the club a chance. Not everything has to be a negative. "

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Lodi Resident wrote on May 23, 2007 8:12 AM:

" About time to bring some fun to this place. I shouldn't have to drive to loser stockton for a good time. "

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lodi living is fine wrote on May 23, 2007 7:57 AM:

" Here's a thought: NO ! Never ! no way ! It wont be upscale. It will be a mess. Show me another "upscale" club without serious problems for the City from Merced to Elk Grove...Fat Cat's in Modesto ? Yea, they havent had problems...not at all. "

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Oh, Oh wrote on May 23, 2007 7:51 AM:

" Brace yourself, here comes Christian Community Concerns. "

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ss wrote on May 23, 2007 7:33 AM:

" No, No and NO.....LPD has enough problems without this... "

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