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Lodi's City Council should help fight global warming

Updated: Monday, April 2, 2007 6:41 AM PDT
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On Monday, March 26, 2007, the Lodi Electric Utility decided to show Mr. Al Gore's movie free of cost to the general public. There were immediate reactions, as is apparent by the blogs and the letters to the editor, by those who disagree with Mr. Gore.

Oscar-winner Al Gore, the president who could not be, in his movie "An Inconvenient Truth" blames global warming on the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere by man-made pollution.

Mr. Piers Corbyn, a British meteorologist, in the YouTube documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle," blames it on sunspots, seemingly random events which he believes he can predict.

There are others who believe that it is part of a cycle unrelated to anything man-made, or sunspots. And some of the scientists in "The Great Global Warming Swindle" do not even believe that there is any global warming.

James Shikwati, an African economist, fears that global warming is another Western hoax which will keep Africa poor and dependent on the West.

Only time will tell the truth. The question is: Can we afford to wait for that eventuality?

Mr. Gore and many of the members of the scientific community believe we cannot wait any longer. Others disagree.

Whether we try to do something or not, the stakes are high either way.

Do we want to roll the dice, take a chance by not doing anything and wait for potential disastrous consequences, or spend lots of money to fix a problem that may not exist? Those who believe in man-made global warming want to direct massive amounts of money and changes in statutes to try fixing the problem; and those who do not, care less.

One thing, however, is quite apparent: The way we have lived in the past and the way we currently live is not sustainable. Fossil fuels, oil and gas are being depleted at an enormous rate. Discoveries of new sources are becoming more and more scarce. The pressures from the developing economies will exacerbate the problem. The world will have to switch to either coal or nuclear power, both of which have their own drawbacks and consequences.

Those who are old enough will remember acid rain, love canal and Chernobyl disasters. Additionally, the detrimental effects of the emissions coming out of the exhaust of power generation stations, tailpipes of cars and other industries on human health are not unknown.

The exhaust of burned fossil fuels such as carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, nitrous and nitrous oxide in addition to other hydrocarbons, when ingested into the lungs of human beings, becomes a significant health hazard.

So the logical conclusion is that we must reduce reliance on the oil and gas as our primary source of energy and develop new and cleaner sources of energy. And we must start now. This is the point that is missed when the debate is taken out of the local arena and raised to the global level.

The issue of global warming, perhaps, will not be solved by the world governments. Politically, there is too much at stake. The preservation of the self-interests may prevent them from taking any bold steps.

Perhaps, the debate of global warming will be decided by the people of the world at the local levels, by the states, provinces, cities and towns. Recently, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger announced a bold initiative of Low Carbon Fuel Standard. Similarly, other states have taken steps in this direction. Also, there are many cities and towns around the country that have taken steps in reducing reliance on fossil fuels.

This is how the debate on global warming is taking shape.

According to Lodi Mayor Bob Johnson, "The city hasn't taken a position one way or the other." The city may or may not take a position on global warming, but the city must take steps to reduce its reliance on fossil fuels.

The city should critically look at the way it works, produces and uses energy and take the necessary steps to reduce our contribution to the world of pollution. Additionally, the city should encourage its customers and citizens to conserve energy, reduce waste and use resources wisely.

Lodi needs a vision, and the City Council should lead the way.

Taj Khan of Lodi is a retired engineer.

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 11, 2007 6:29 PM:

" The incomparable Werner Klemperer played Colonel Klink. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:24 PM:

" Bevais Brickhead: I'm not trying to criticize. That said, did you know that the jedi characters are taken after the UN leadership who they want us to entrust with guardianship? "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:21 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: I know it's risky to use my real name, and I figure I'll have to pay some public heckling for that; but, I have faith that the power of good will be on my side. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:19 PM:

" Leonard: I'm going to have to work on your education some more about those referees for Science magazine. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:18 PM:

" "Kinchy": I got the Ivan Dixon joke, but I was giving you a benefit of doubt of really being him. I watched Hogans Heros as a priority, probably saw every episode. Who is Werner Klemperer? "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:16 PM:

" Leonard: In spite of everywhere that I have been, and a lifetime of affection for Lodi, I haven't ever lived within the city limits. I never planned, "I think I need to live around Lodi." It just turned out that way. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:13 PM:

" Leonard: My name "Hutchins" is not directly the same lineage that the city of Lodi honors. However, I am 5th - generation if you want to call me "Lodian." If you check, there are "Hutchins" buried in the Woodbridge cemetery, all the way in the back, on the left. One of the persons lieing there is directly descended from quite an American heritage. The actual "Hutchins" of the Hutchins Square are buried in the Lodi cemetery at the end of Pine Street. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:09 PM:

" Leonard: You are half-correct with the Lodi claim. I was just in Lodi both today, and yesterday, a 15-minute commute. I think Ajax got me confused with the Admiral. Truth is that I grew-up in Acampo, and my parents' house is still there, with them living in it. My parents own grapes on Kettleman Lane and Harney. I used to hunt jackrabbits in the vineyard all the time. Today, I think the coyotes got them all. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:03 PM:

" "Kinchy" Now that Leonard is back, all is better now, and I am calmed down. I hope you had a Happy Easter while I was arguing with you. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 10, 2007 11:02 PM:

" Leonard: Welcome back from lent. I accused Bob Crane's partner of really being you, while you were away. You got caught using more than one blog name, so when anybody just acts like you, I suspect it really is you. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 10, 2007 10:59 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: Thanks for exposing the joke. It took me a day to find this letter in the new LNS format. I was thinking I was going to be looking for a Black man, about 65 years old, at the Lodi Farmers Market. I have my name in too many places now in the internet. Fortunately, there are a lot of people with my same name. There remains only a little bit of confusion about my identity, but I am almost completely revealed. "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 9, 2007 8:41 PM:

" I posted under the name Werner Klemperer for a while but nobody got the joke. I thought about using Bob Crane but that was too obvious and a little too kinky, given the way things turned out for him. "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 9, 2007 8:38 PM:

" Heh heh. Yes, my blog name name does resemble that of a famous person. I use to post under my own name but then a crazy anti abortion terrorist on the Atlantic forums threatened to hunt down my daughter and kill her. Fortunately, at that time, I was unmarried and had no children but I learned my lesson good and well. I don't have to tell you Daniel that there are a lot of crazy people on the internet. Only a fool uses his own name in that environment. "

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Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2007 4:00 PM:

" Ajax: Is Danny really from Arizona? I thought he was claiming that he was a Lodi boy. "

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Bevais Brickhead wrote on Apr 9, 2007 3:36 PM:

" The Jedi will come to our resue and stop global warming once and for all! "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 9, 2007 11:38 AM:

" Ajax: Perhaps you are not aware of Gov. Schwarz... State of the State address, proposing expenditures that are potentially unlimited, a CO2 emmissions tax on SUV's in California, and a UN scheme to tax world citizens (without representation) for prevention of global warming. "

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Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2007 10:19 AM:

" As for Science Magazine, any one with a passing familiarity with the journal would know that all of the articles (as opposed to the news section which appears at the very front) are peer reviewed. How someone could get a MS in any science without referencing Science is beyond me. I suppose this is just further evidence of the deterioration of our educational system. "

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Leonard wrote on Apr 9, 2007 10:19 AM:

" Danny: Happy Easter to you. I see that a number of other posters have been schooling you in my absence. I suppose that I should be honored that you see me in every poster who trounces your poor excuse for an argument but I can assure you that there is only one of me. "

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Ajax wrote on Apr 9, 2007 6:13 AM:

" There's nothing in the arguments presented her that are logical or fact-driven. In fact, this guy who I hear is from Arizona invents his sources, does not acknoledge his false arguments, and persists in assertions of conspiracies. Now we're suppossed to accept this as a reasonable debate. Now despite my concerns I think it's apparent that there is nothing to debate here. Whatever you logically assert will not be rebutted but overtalked with a half-dozen rambling posts with make beleif sources and dubious value. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 10:15 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: I took my chances for saying "Leonard," so I'm probably going to pay for a long time. Please accept an appology that I have been accusing Leonard of switching blognames, and once the Lodi Sentinel actually checked its logs and noticed the gateway had assigned the same address to different blognames. So, now I can't tell when he's doing it, and when he's not. If you don't know who he is, you'll find out quite quickly if you hang around here. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 10:10 PM:

" Bill Thomas: Would you like to enlighten us as to what is your role in these publications, what degree of peer review these represent, and what brings you to Lodi? I have been fighting quite a battle here for over a year, drum-beating a theme that there is a distinction between scientists who submit to peer review, and pseudo-scientists, who submit to politics. "

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Bill Thomas wrote on Apr 8, 2007 2:34 PM:

" Easter Monday, April 9th, 2,007. I urge you read my articles BB12 and BB13(more if you can), situationreports.50megs.com/(With the usual prefix.) The three main(and only) contenders to be the cause are (i) THE SUN. (ii) Surface nature(Lightning causes forest fires. And volcanic eruptions(most under sea) and thermal vents on ocean floor heat the sea! (iii) Man. Score so far 1,022, 21 and 1. Bill Thomas. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:47 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: My mentioning the MS degree came about when I thought you were showing respect. I hope that both of us can do that. Happy Easter. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:46 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: Recently, peer-regulation was brought up, and I realized that the American Metereological Society is a peer-regulated organization, so I mentioned that one of its senior members did recently succeed in challenging the global warming scandal, on public television. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:43 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: In pseudo-science, a politician exudes the appearance of being "scientific." You can tell who they are. Science magazine is intended for the general public, not for private interaction between scientific peers. A peer-refereed journal is not possible to understand unless you are one of the peers. For example, have you ever heard of the Journal of Catalysis? Most people aren't going to subscribe. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:39 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: I have seen one particular brilliant professor, who did make an embarrassing mistake. His peers let him know, respectfully, and only for those who were qualified to understand it. The proposed theory was gone. This is the process of science. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:37 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: If there were somebody who was not a very good scientist, and there are a lot of them, in practicing science, sooner or later, that person would have to present to his/her peers. Suppose this not very good scientist made a mistake. The mistake would be discovered and identified by his/her peers, and the erroneous theory would not be accepted. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:34 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: More seriously, I didn't establish that people with science backgrounds don't know anything about science. The central theme of my objection is a difference between true scientists, and pseudo-scientists. continued- "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 11:48 AM:

" Ajax: If you don't want me to challenge your public campaigning opinions, then don't offer them to the general public forum where I am going to find it. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 11:45 AM:

" Ajax: When somebody campaigns to the contrary, the large percentage of people I am referring to seeks to discredit the messenger, asks if they are from the John Birch Society, recommends psychological therapy, suggests that they are being violated within the personal boundaries of their own cranium, and form alliances with other people who think the same. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 11:42 AM:

" Ajax: If views are held personal, then they are just that, personal. When people use public communications to spread an opinion, they are campaigning. The topic of this column threatens the economic productivity of the USA, and an attempt is being made to terminate the constitution of the USA. The threat is real. A large percentage of people prefer not to know about it, but still complain about how dumb and stupid some of our leaders appear to be. More recently, people have started yawning at journalism that exposes corruption. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 11:37 AM:

" Ajax: If you don't say anything that threatens my country, I won't object. Nice defensive technique to discredit a person who presents logical, scientific thinking. That's a good Al Gore technique. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 11:34 AM:

" Ivan Dixon: OK, Ivan, I appologize for getting you confused with Leonard. Your disrespect for other people, and your techniques of luring people into your attention, exposing them to your disrespectful remarks, is one of Leonard's trademarks. So, I'll continue to spar with you here in this arena, without believing a word you say. I noticed that your blogname resembles a famous person, and you didn't deny that was you. If you were a little more respectful for people, I might be interested in knowing if it is you. "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 8, 2007 9:03 AM:

" Man... I really want to agree with you but your paranoid delusions are getting in the way. You are so OBSESSED with this Leonard guy that its all you ever seem to think about. First you were saying that the people who were against you were all Leonards and now you are accusing your supporters of being Leonards. You got to get it together man. "

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Ajax wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:56 AM:

" Daniel, I seldom have the time to come to this blog because of professional and family committments. Moreover, while I recognize the inherent flaws of your bootstrap logic I don't think it's productive in demonstrating why you should change your view. You seem you mean well, however, I am troubled by your rhetoric and assertions. There are a # of resources that could help and I am willing to to help you find the help that will ease your anxiety and anger. In the interim, lets drop this non-productive exercise. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 8, 2007 12:33 AM:

" What if Al Gore's debate challenge has been scripted, and his challenger is really his friend? "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 7, 2007 11:49 PM:

" Here's a gem: A Lord Viscount Christopher Monckton of Brenchley is challenging Al Gore to debate global warming, in Oxford, England at a date of the Gore's choosing. According to the link at http://www.alien-earth.org/forum/message.php?message=49374&mpage=1&showdate=4/7/07, and according to myself, Al Gore has refused public debate. The challenge is scheduled for print in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal. Ads like this sometimes don't get printed, like the warning of German intent to sink the Lusitania. "

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Ann Garrison wrote on Apr 7, 2007 11:19 PM:

" Coal and nuclear (weapons)? Why not bio-fuels, so more of the world can starve? "

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Annie Garrison wrote on Apr 7, 2007 8:50 PM:

" We have to develop coal and nuclear? http://www.stoppeabody.org/ http://www.desert-rock-blog.com/ http://www.nuclear-free.com/english/frames7.htm "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 7, 2007 6:57 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: What is your education? "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 7, 2007 6:54 PM:

" Ivan Dixon / Leonard: A chemical engineer can be employed in a broad spectrum of endeavors. If I really were interested in working for someone like the National Weather Service, I could put in a respectful application. I do understand weather pretty well. A fair understanding is prerequisite to seamanship, which doesn't require an advanced degree to understand. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 7, 2007 6:36 PM:

" Ivan Dixon / Leonard: You wrote: "I find it hard to trust people." You should not trust people. I recommend prayer. People are not for placing faith. Listen to people; interact; share; socialize; respect; but, don't place your faith them. They might turn on you. Please don't place your faith in me, because I am not important enough to deserve it; and, I would be terribly disappointed in anyone that did. I just hope that people listen and use their own God-given cranial compartment and heart, to evaluate what I say. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 7, 2007 6:29 PM:

" Ivan Dixon / Leonard: You wrote "retired seaman first class." Another Leonard trademark. Obviously you never served in the military, and definitely not the navy. You have one oxymoron and one insult that you would never understand. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 7, 2007 6:25 PM:

" Ivan Dixon / Leonard: You wrote: "worlds leading experts on climatology" Doesn't make you look very good, if a senior member of the American Meteorological Society would be qualified as a "world-class" expert. A TV station accidentally gave senior member James Spann the microphone on camera, and he expressed his opinion. Maybe Al Gore should get his membership revoked. Maybe you can celebrate like you did with the tobacco guy if they can get his membership revoked. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 7, 2007 6:16 PM:

" Leonard (Ivan Dixon): Now I see you wrote, "Umm... I'm not sure. You say that you have a Masters degree? Now I'm worried. " That's Leonard all the way. I would be real surprised if you starred in Hogan's Heros, playing Kinchloe ("Kinchy"). Ivan Dixon appears to be alive. Maybe it's you. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 7, 2007 6:12 PM:

" blogname Ivan Dixon: I'm curious. Are you proud enough for what you have to say, to show your real name? The blogname that I use is my own name; most people here know my last name, too. When people interact with me face-to-face, I do so having put my name on everything that I have ever said. Can you say the same? If you are going to be anonymous, you could be just about anybody. You could even be an unmentionable person, once again. "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 7, 2007 4:30 PM:

" Please tell me that you didn't take any climatology classes. I find it hard to trust people and now that I have put my faith total and complete comprehension of the global climate system I would be horribly betrayed if it turned out that you were just another egg head who had been contaminated by education and learning. Please tell me that my faith in your ignorance has not been misplaced. "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 7, 2007 4:27 PM:

" Umm... I'm not sure. You say that you have a Masters degree? Now I'm worried. I thought that we had already established that people with scientific back grounds didn't know anything about science? "

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Richard McIntyre wrote on Apr 7, 2007 11:02 AM:

" Dude, from global warming, to the depletion of the O-zone layer, to the theory of evolution, to 19 boxcutter wielding Arabs taking down the most sophisticated and militarily advanced Air Defense System in the world, to Pagan festivals, Easter and Christmas, being attributed to Jesus, the Son of Mary (not God), some people will believe anything. Adolph Hitler said: "The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it." Did I just quote Hitler? "

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Richard McIntyre wrote on Apr 6, 2007 9:22 PM:

" Dude, from the depletion of the O-zone layer, to the threat of global warming, to the belief in evolution, to 19 boxcutter wielding Arabs taking down the most sophisticated and militarily advanced Air Defense System in the world, to Pagan festivals, Easter and Christmas, being attributed to Jesus, the Son of Mary (not God), it is a fact that some people will believe anything. Hitler said, "the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it." Did I just quote Hitler? "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 6, 2007 6:19 PM:

" What a lot of folks don' realize about Daniel is the common sense brilliance of it all. I mean, if you need to have your tonsils removed do you go to a graduate from the nations top surgical school? OF COURSE NOT! You go and see an auto mechanic who rips it out with his pliers. So why would you consult the worlds leading experts on climatology about climate change when you just ask a retired seaman first class how he "feels" about the issue? "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 5:17 PM:

" There. That takes care of Ajax. He'll be gone for a while. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 5:17 PM:

" Ajax: Why don't you go look at my reference. I gave it to Eek and he hasn't come back. He's probably lost in the library stacks. Let's see what you have to say after you take a peek: http://www.jbs.org/search/node/global+warming. " "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 4:54 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: Also thank you for acknowledging my defiance of the nobel prize. I worked very hard to come into that thinking. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 4:50 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: Thank you. That would be a Boatswain Mate, 2nd Class (E-5), on sabatical from aerospace employment, in spite of a MS in Chemical Engineering. Nobody could figure out what I was doing on deck in the navy. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 4:47 PM:

" Chicken Little: Global Warming advocates have long-enjoyed unchecked broadcast on the news media and newspapers. They seem to think they can say anything they want, anytime they want, anywhere they want. With me here, no, uh-uhh. If they want good company, with plenty others like them, they can go to Arcata or Berkeley, where you can stand on the street corner selling fresh gangia cookies, take communist petitions, or have sex in the public park (Arcata), and noone will even question. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 4:41 PM:

" Ajax: That's knowledge, not paranoia. Also, I do not have the element of fear that the word "paranoia" implies. Can you say the same? "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 4:40 PM:

" Ajax: I just noticed that Mars has just experienced 3 martian years of global warming: I'm real interested in seeing your explanation on how humans on earth have caused that. Would you like to propose that there are living Martians who are releasing CO2 into their own atmosphere? "

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Kathy Salk wrote on Apr 6, 2007 4:29 PM:

" I've got to say that I don't understand why Daniel won't answer Birchman's question. Is Daniel really agreeing with the Bolsheviks that global warming isn't real? "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 6, 2007 3:26 PM:

" Daniel my man, I salute you! You are a WARRIOR on this issue. You've got it exactly right. Why should we trust a bunch of egg head PhDs from Harvard and Yale when we have a seamen first class like yourself who has applied their junior college honed skills to the problem? I'd believe you over 20 a Nobel Prize Winners any day! "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 2:38 PM:

" Birchman wannabe: You wrote "I don't know who Leonard is." Dead give-away. You blew it, Leonard. Only a Leonard could write something like that. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 2:35 PM:

" Chicken Little: Have you checked out my link? www.jbs.org. In the search field, type any topic you choose. On the front page they show what's current. I don't know of any better news organization than this reference. "

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Ajax wrote on Apr 6, 2007 2:34 PM:

" I appreciate the insight into Daniels thinking. His words are revealing. Despite the acute paranoia of global conspiracies to invent alarm and obtuse thinking that the cause is not well founded in man's activity, global warming from man's activity is real and scientifically proven. The only question is what to do about it. Some folks choose to ignore it or attempt to reduce it by absurd analogies. The motivation for those efforts may be just plain ignorance but it also may be a contempt for people with intellectual gifts. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 2:32 PM:

" Chicken Little: Thanks for the support. Never cast thy pearls before swine! Indeed, yes. Sometimes I think I need to get my head examined, but I also wonder if I just need to keep on being patient. Not a funny thing: I should be earning more money. 20 years ago, I almost made what I get now, and they don't pay that kind of money here in Lodi. Some of my arch enemies have never asked why in Lodi? Duh. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 2:26 PM:

" OUT of Lodi: Without accepting any questions from qualified scientists, Al Gore was able to "doctor-up" his graphs to make them look like anything he wanted. "

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OUT of Lodi wrote on Apr 6, 2007 1:48 PM:

" Carbon Dioxide is a trailing idicator of climate change. The graphs in AlGore's movie prove it. C02 trails temprature not the other way around. The good news is you get to see who are the big idiots that can't figure this out. "

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Birchman wrote on Apr 6, 2007 1:22 PM:

" I don't know who Leonard is but I've got a pretty good idea why you won't answer my question. "

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Chicken Little wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:57 AM:

" The sky is falling! Good job Daniel but you are casting pearls before swine. These people believe in global warming like religious dogma. They never question their sources. Most of their scientists want government money so will say whatever is necessary to keep their access to the trough at taxpayer's expense. Their I'm smarter than you attitude is not persuading anyone and the public will soon tire of their alarmist rhetoric. They don't have any solutions. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:52 AM:

" Birchman (Leonard): If I didn't get any heckles from you, I would think that I wasn't doing a very good job. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:51 AM:

" General public: The following link contains a lot of journalism on global warming: http://www.jbs.org/search/node/global+warming. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:47 AM:

" http://solar-center.stanford.edu: When people like Condoleezza Rice lose an election campaign (like when George Sr. lost to Bill Clinton) they can find employment sanctuary at Stanford University as provost. What does a provost do? I want to say absolutely nothing, but Rice gave lectures promoting world regional government. As Sec of State, Rice sold to the American people that the American govt was stupid, inept and confused when it handled information of Al-Queda terrorist plans to use airplanes as missiles. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:41 AM:

" GenPub: Who's that Russian Perestoikia guy, who received the nobel prize? The guy who ended Russian communism, to enable peace-loving leaders like Putin to take power. Under Putin, nobody has been killed or poisoned with polonium-210 in any way. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:35 AM:

" GenPub: Kofi Annan. That's an obvious connection to the world dictatorship movement. During Annan's term of "service," millions of people died by the United Nations than any other world power, while Annan carefully manipulated public relations to show the UN as a peace-making organization. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:31 AM:

" GenPub: I know what you're thinking about the nobel prize. You're thinking Jimmy Carter, and who else got it recently? Jimmy Carter is quite a long story. Albert Einstein: I feel that this one was under the category of making the nobel prize look good; and, Einstein did not receive the prize for his greatest achievements. I admit that his explanation for the photoelectric effect was a landmark that changed physics, but his prize did not acknowledge his theory of relativity. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:26 AM:

" Birchman (Leonard): Didn't you say you were doing lent? "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:25 AM:

" eek: I gave you a link to Iran, and you could have typed "global warming" into the search field. That reference contains a library of probably 20 years of journalism, containing extensive reports on global warming. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:21 AM:

" Ajax: I appreciate your time on this one, and your post. I did say that people usually come back with pseudo-scientists. NASA=pseudo. NASA has to support congress and the president, which are all political. Nobel prize: compliant with dictatorial world conquest objectives. The nobel prize committee is created with a board that is far-enough removed to conceal the connection, but it only gives out awards to its own people. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 6, 2007 10:16 AM:

" Birchman (Leonard) "

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eek wrote on Apr 6, 2007 9:22 AM:

" more links: http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html http://www.giss.nasa.gov/ http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/GlobalWarming/ "

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eek wrote on Apr 6, 2007 9:09 AM:

" Web friendly international references attributing global warming to increases of greenhouse gases caused by humans: http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf http://www.ipcc.ch/pub/reports.htm http://www.climatescience.gov/ http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/positions/climate_change.shtml "

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Ajax wrote on Apr 5, 2007 8:19 PM:

" There are hundreds if not thousands of independent studies by scientists who have have examined this issue from an extraordinary number of perspectives all over this planet and even from skylab. NASA asserts that global warming comes from man's industrial activities. That's only one of hundreds of groups. Nobel laurete scientists from a variety of diciples say that global warming is caused by man and your position is that these great minds and well respected people are either dead wrong or corrupt. "

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Birchman wrote on Apr 5, 2007 6:12 PM:

" Yes or no question to Daniel Hutchens: Do you agree with the American Bolshevik Party that Global Warming is a hoax? "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 5, 2007 5:49 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: Good sarcasm of your own, though. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 5, 2007 5:48 PM:

" Ivan Dixon: Do you see the title on Taj Khan's article? Excuse me, for believing the title. Have you ever seen Michael Moore, and how he gets interviews, and how he got me to watch "Bowling for Columbine"? I thought it was misrepresentation all the way. He has created his own trademark misrepresentation technique, which he used to set up Charleton Heston for an interview. Do you see an analogy here? "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 5, 2007 10:42 AM:

" Patricia: Thanks for the post. Earth's natural change, and the sun's, cause climate change. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 5, 2007 10:39 AM:

" Ajax: The trouble I have with a suggestion to show just one piece of scientific evidence, is that a good, global warming promoter will go get a pseudo-scientific organization whose report shows political support, not scientific support for global warming. Leonard is good at that. So I told him to publish his findings in the Letters to the Editor, because a person who endorses pseudo-science is going to argue with having a foundation for the arguement. Therefore, publish your finding of support. Solves everything. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 5, 2007 10:36 AM:

" Ajax: This is my arguement with Leonard, and with anyone else who aserts that there is overwhelming scientific evidence. Gee, that's funny. I don't remember seeing any evidence, what evidence? While you accuse deniers of using blanket denials, you just made one yourself, and quite the opposite is true. GlWarming promoters use a blanket declaration that science is finished, now let's spend some money to do something about it. Wait! I never saw any evidence to support your claim. "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 5, 2007 10:17 AM:

" Way to go Mr Hutchins! What you are doing here is a little thing called "critical reading". Don't pay any attention to what a person has actually written but rely on your own preconceptions to feel the "spirit" of the article. If only more Americans were able to use this special skill. "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 5, 2007 10:14 AM:

" You know Patricia, I am amazed that people think they can do anything to stop any sort of pollution. I mean, if the chemical companies want to dump toxic sludge on school playgtrounds, who are we to stop them? You definitely have the right attitude. Keep up the good work! "

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Ajax wrote on Apr 5, 2007 12:37 AM:

" Politics aside... the amount of proof that has been generated from a wide variety of organizations, individuals and goverment as well as university science organizations have all established the cause of global warming as man-made is over-whelming. That's why the deniers just use blanket denials and switch arguments, bogus assertions of alleged facts and other rhetorical devices to evade discussing the actual science regarding the extent of global warming and what solutions must be implemented. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 4, 2007 10:14 PM:

" The world-renowned science organization "National Geographic" reported "dramatic loss of Arctic sea ice." They like the summer time reports of molten ice cap, but look at the referenced video, which was taken in the month of March, in the Bering Sea. Corroborating this story is the Anchorage Daily News, which is reporting icebound ships just 250 -300 miles north of the Aleutians. I think I'd rather believe the world-renowned national geographic, whose report was based on satellite imagery, which is more reliable than Alaskan newspapers, and the following video taken in March: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Py-qroOL7s. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 4, 2007 5:36 PM:

" Jeff: I agree that Mr. Khan is of the "____ (what was it again)" position, but in all fairness, his position was hard to find until half-way through the article; and, I did sense a spirit of support for Al Gore's film. "

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Jeff wrote on Apr 4, 2007 2:22 PM:

" Patricia, et al: you're right, in the grand scheme of things we cannont destroy this planet, it will continue to cycle. But we can affect the environment for the brief period of time we humans inhabit this planet "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 4, 2007 1:43 PM:

" audi5000: Since global warming is a contrived story, politicians sit around thinking about new stories to tell. That's where Mars came from. I wouldn't be surprised if they say we're having alien invaders from outer space. I'll believe it so much if I see it on the news. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 4, 2007 1:41 PM:

" Yo... fellow Lodi meat-heads: It would sure be nice to know who you are, so that I won't feel so alone in fighting the denier-deniers. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 4, 2007 1:39 PM:

" Chicken Little: I don't know who you are, but I have posted a few times what they want us to do. "

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Patricia wrote on Apr 4, 2007 12:35 PM:

" Whether it be God, man made, or big booms, it is amazing to me that anyone thinks we can do something to stop a "global warming, ice age," or any other happenings' of nature. Some of you need to do research and history study on the earth's origin and subsequent changes. Really! Now if you want to talk smog pollution, and things we can control to an extent, that's another topic. Taj Khan supports Al Gore, why am I not surprised? "

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Ivan Dixon wrote on Apr 4, 2007 10:07 AM:

" I like hot weather. That's why I drive a Hummer. "

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Yo... fellow Lodi meat-heads wrote on Apr 3, 2007 8:58 PM:

" Im with the three of you that that don't buy all this global whining stuff. Heck, us Nascar watchin, barcalounger sittin, bingo playin neck's get all our facts from Fox news, Lodi McPaper and the Drugy Limbaugh ilk.The heck with future generations, Im gonna keep swimming in lake me. It's God's will,just like this war in Iraq. "

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KT wrote on Apr 3, 2007 3:54 PM:

" Personally, I don't believe we are the cause of global warming, but I do believe we are the cause of that brown air out there. Let's work on that issue, and the other won't matter. "

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Ajax wrote on Apr 3, 2007 2:18 PM:

" One of he most disturbing aspects of mustering the political will to take on enviromental irresponsibity is the illogical and stubborn refusal of a few to come to grips with the need for change. These few who deny science and create false controvery out of empty rhetoric are right out of the dark ages. The stubborn refusal to accept the need to encourage more responsibility w/ the use of energy and the need has been so illogical that it should be now considered a pathological malady. "

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Jeff wrote on Apr 3, 2007 2:16 PM:

" 'whether global warming or a new ice age; we need to protect the planet from being ravaged' Well said, wtf. Chicken Little, you're missing the point. "

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Chicken Little wrote on Apr 3, 2007 12:19 PM:

" The sky is falling! Save us wise whorshipers of Al Gore. Destroy the deniers because they are keeping you from implementing your solution to this problem. By the way, what is your solution? If you have a solution why don't you tell us Al Gore, Taj Khan, and friends. You have nothing but blame for those who disagree with you. If you are right about Global Warming your good intentions will not be enough to fix it. Tell everyone what you want us to do about your imaginary problem. "

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wtf wrote on Apr 3, 2007 10:44 AM:

" Global Warming is getting too much media attention & that's a red flag. Back in the 70s, it was fear of a New Ice Age. This new fear is only an attempt at misdirection. Cutting down on pollutants is a sensible thing to do; not just the restricted burn days, but the pollution credits that corporations buy so they can spew crap into the air. Good stewardship of the earth needs no new laws - whether global warming or a new ice age; we need to protect the planet from being ravaged. "

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audi5000 wrote on Apr 3, 2007 8:28 AM:

" Where's the concern about the melting ice caps on Mars? Are we so arrogant that we can't think past our own planet's issues? "

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Ajax wrote on Apr 3, 2007 8:23 AM:

" Even a fool appreciates the overwhelming amount of evidence and scientific proof of global warming due to use of oil products. This is not a claim by 2 Utah scientists but the fact is that every major university, every major scientific organization and even the dullards of the Bush administration see that our earth's ecosystem has been damaged by the effects of worldwide oil use. You have to wonder about the agenda's of those who continue to deny global warming and refuse to accept the need for change. "

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Jeff wrote on Apr 3, 2007 6:58 AM:

" I propose that Patton, Sir Edm..., and Daniel re-read this letter. Mr. Khan argues that even if global warming is not a real phenomenom that real changes need to be implemented from a general polution stand point. Even Bill O agrees that we'd be better off with less "goop" in the air. Go back and listen to your beloved pundits for the correct talking points to parrot. "

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Patton wrote on Apr 2, 2007 8:53 PM:

" Only fools think that the Global Warming debate is decided. I remember when saline implants were the subject of huge class action lawsuits because some sceintest decided they were harmful.Billons in claims and now we find out they are safe and once again they are being used frequently. I say lets improve our stewardship but not by damaging our financial health. "

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Ajax wrote on Apr 2, 2007 7:55 PM:

" There is no credible way to deny global warming due to the use of oil products. Just none. It's as much a fact as gravity. Basing our future on oil is absurd and dangerous. Certainly there are abundant alternatives that only require slight innovation and implementation through leadership. But there's the rub. Who has the politcal will to psuh aside gas guzzlers and the rements of the flat earth society that sits in the editorial chairs of this paper and very few others that don't get divends from Exxon. "

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Sir Edmond Haverhill wrote on Apr 2, 2007 7:41 PM:

" Relax onerous constraints on our refineries and their development, drill in the gulf and anwar. Make US petroleum competitive and undercut the terrorist's refinery capacity. Demand oil from Mexico to pay for their illegals. After we have a good flow, start choking the pig-head off the mid-east snake. Then look at conservation. First the madmen must be shut down. The city council is nothing. "

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Daniel wrote on Apr 2, 2007 6:37 PM:

" Patton is not 'guessing.' Apparently he has a sense of something being wrong with the global warming story, and he isn't willing to agree on the story until he sees something convincing. People just argue, and pseudo-scientists like on the Discovery channel last night, promote global warming without using any science. "

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Thank You Mr. Khan wrote on Apr 2, 2007 4:59 PM:

" Finally, a progressive approach that most everyone can agree on. "

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T & C wrote on Apr 2, 2007 3:03 PM:

" patton, your "guessing" has provided fuel for Lodi being financially bankrupt, too. Why would one believe anything you say about global warming? "

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Lodian wrote on Apr 2, 2007 1:03 PM:

" Patton: That's just it... you're guessing, where scientists have dedicated years to their work in gathering facts. Humans do have an impact on the Earth. "

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wtf wrote on Apr 2, 2007 12:17 PM:

" Great editorial. I think "global warming" is in danger of becoming politicized. Rather, as Taj points out, each individual should do their part to combat & reduce pollution. It would be in everyone's best interest if we became good stewards of the earth & had a good relationship with the planet we all call home. This doesn't need new laws to accomplish just common sense. Lessons can be learned from Native Americans on how to be good stewards of the land. "

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Jeff wrote on Apr 2, 2007 12:05 PM:

" Patton: the question is are you willing to bet our lives on your 'guess'? "