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Westside project ok'd

151-acre development in Lodi will include 745 homes and new school

By Matt Brown
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:17 AM PDT

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The Lodi City Council paved the way to add 151 acres of land west of Lower Sacramento Road on Wednesday night when it approved the Westside development project.

The project, which will add 745 new residences, 24 acres of parks and an elementary school, is being developed by FCB Homes. The development company's 250-acre Southwest Gateway project was approved in November.

"This is the culmination of a lot of hard work," FCB President Tom Doucette said after the council meeting. "We're happy to get council's support."

The council voted 4-0 to annex the land and approve the development agreement, which includes measures to preserve agricultural land and improve the Eastside.

The council voted 3-1 to approve the Environmental Impact Report, with Vice Mayor JoAnne Mounce dissenting because the project does not include a Planning Commission-recommended 100-foot buffer between the development and farmland to the west.


(Marc Lutz/News-Sentinel)

Citing a potential conflict of interest, Councilman Larry Hansen removed himself from voting. His property is adjacent to the development and an appraiser had determined that his property value would decrease if the project is built.

The council also voted 3-1 to amend the Westside Facilities Master Plan, a document created in 2001 that called for a 300-foot buffer between any development and agricultural land. Mounce also voted against the amendment because it removed the recommended buffer.

"There had to be a good reason for putting that buffer there," she said. "The West Side Facilities Master Plan was open for public comment. Now we're saying your opinion doesn't matter."

Doucette said the buffer was recommended at a time when the city was not looking to develop farther west. The Westside project includes a similar 100-foot green space in the middle of the development, which Community Development Director Randy Hatch said provides better drainage.

Westside at a glance

The City Council approved annexation of land for the Westside project, which is west of Lower Sacramento Road. Some stats:
• 151 acres
• 745 residences
• 24 acres of park
• One elementary school
• 151 acres of agricultural easements
• 25 Eastside homes to be rehabilitated
• $150,000 for public art
• $300,000 endowment for Hutchins Street Square
Source: Lodi Community Development Department.

Brian Jungeblut, who farms almonds on 25-acres west of the project, objected to the project because it lacked a buffer between his land and future homes.

"I don't see how a buffer, that is intended to separate urban and ag land, works in the center," Jungeblut said.

Councilwoman Susan Hitchcock, who voted for the project, said the buffer will function better in the center of the development.

"I see some pluses in the new plan," she said. "As for the buffer, I was hoping that it would be the western boundary (of the city). With the General Plan update, that's not the reality."

The land will be formally annexed if approved by the San Joaquin County Local Agency Formation Commission.

Contact reporter Matt Brown at mattb@lodinews.com.

Reader Feedback

T & C wrote on Apr 2, 2007 8:59 AM:

" DakotaJoe, there's such an overwhelming market of these cheap and ILLEGAL laborers that companies like Diede Const and FCB homes call "carpenters" that're merely just plain cheap help. They exploit these people and home buyers are the ones that pay the price. In Lodi, it's always the same old names, same old faces and the same good old boys who have the planning commission and city council and management in their back pockets. "

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Dakota Joe wrote on Apr 2, 2007 8:16 AM:

" T&C your right on target - as usual! Last week, I was shown a new house under construction. I asked one of the workers a question about the house, and that startled the workers? I counted 22 workers and none spoke English. They were all huddled together and refused to make eye contact. Are these the "illegal alien" cash workers that you were talking about? The builder called me sobbing the blues. He is losing $$$ every day on this project. The "green alligators" are going after him. I'll offer cash NTE $150/ft from $400/ft. So sad! "

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Inspector wrote on Apr 2, 2007 7:40 AM:

" Publicly traded stock is fair game. Just because an industry is crooked doesn't mean I can't make money on them. I recently sold all my stock in Beazer, KBH and Lennar builders just in time. Top management started selling shares when the newspapers repported that 25% of the homes in a new development were in default! I bet the "good ol boyz" are not sleeping. Beezer stock lost 50% in value last week. KBH predicts a recession, and Lennar in Sacramento is being sued. The Sacramento housing disaster is only 20 miles away! "

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Little Guy wrote on Apr 2, 2007 6:15 AM:

" Is that how you refer to us "little guys". You City people are more arrogant than I originally thought. Find a real job! "

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Humorous wrote on Apr 1, 2007 10:41 AM:

" Does anyone else find it humorous that the Inspector is making "big bucks" on his insurance investments" and the insurance industry is one of those he trusts the least. "

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Inspector wrote on Mar 31, 2007 8:01 PM:

" What is "rediculous" about fraud? This space doesn't provide the space to air the dirty laundry of folks who use their "authority" to cheat people who trust them. Bottom line: Caveat Emptor! The list of people I would NEVER trust are politicians, banks, insurance, Mortgage companies, builders, Realtors (about as honest as used car dealers), RE Brokers (insider traders), and telemarketers. Everyone else I trust -even lawyers are better! I am making big bucks on my investments in insurance. They make Mega$$ by NOT paying claims! Why do you care when someone who KNOWS, tells the "little guy"? "

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To: Lodian wrote on Mar 31, 2007 5:19 PM:

" You really have no room to talk as you've gotten whiney and very personal towards others by lashing out at them. You'll even go back and forth until you get the last word in, yet you have the nerve to come on here and accuse others of it also! Hippocrite!!! Time to get a life. "

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Supervisor wrote on Mar 30, 2007 3:55 PM:

" Tell me Mr. Inspector...why on earth would you complain to the Board of Realtors about testing concrete? That's not their expertise nor authority. Isn't that your department? It's hard to believe your department doesn't cover this. You certainly cover everything else to the point of being ridiculous. "

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Lodian wrote on Mar 30, 2007 9:31 AM:

" WY is absolutely correct... "The truth hurts" and some people take it well and add to the debate/conversation and others whine and get personal. I think the later need to grow a backbone, thicker skin, get educated and grow some (brain cells) and add to the conversation or get the heII out. "in your face" LOL! "

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Inspector wrote on Mar 30, 2007 8:20 AM:

" I'm not allowed to test for slab cracks using GPR. I complained to the local Realtor Association, they referred me to their favorite "home inspection service" parked outside. I talked with the "inspector" and learned she knew NOTHING about construction. She didn't know the difference between a hammer and a screwdriver. I learned she is not required to have building trades knowledge or take a state test. I suggest all buyers hire their own General Contractor to do the inspection. CAVEAT EMPTOR! Most builders require you sign binding arbitration agreements so you can't sue them for construction defects. "

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Inspector wrote on Mar 30, 2007 8:04 AM:

" I know a tract where most of the houses have seriously cracked slabs and poor concrete work. These houses are adjacent to irrigation canals in Lodi and Woodbridge. All you have to do is drive over to LaSalle street and watch the workers install tile, carpet or other flooring. Tilesetters have retiled the same floor in one house three times in one year. The slab has cracks wide enough to put your hand in. These houses are being sold and resold. Realtors pretend they don't know about the problems so they can make a quick commission. "

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Good Job T&C wrote on Mar 30, 2007 7:45 AM:

" Usted es Correctamente! A big sneaky is when a contractor calls his W/C insurance company(SCIF) to tell them how many people are working the job, they will list 3 people per trade, knowing that it is improbable that more would get hurt on any job. Everyone else has no W/C insurance. The Builder claims the expenses of premiums for all employees not just the few on the list to the underwriters. This is called premium fraud. The insurer has a risk much greater because if anyone gets injured they claim that they were covered, when they were not. "

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T & C wrote on Mar 29, 2007 9:08 PM:

" FSBO, being a "salt" for the union for two years (union worker planted in a scab company as an employee) you're right about the builders labor practices. They even attend seminars and schools provided to them by the anti-union ABC to learn how to use these tactics and cover them up or pay someone to look the other way. How else would they get away with their practices and slave labor? "

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T & C wrote on Mar 29, 2007 9:03 PM:

" The scabby builders in the Lodi-Stockton area know how to set their books up to hide wages and job classifications of their employees. I'll bet if you count the men on their projects and compare them to the number of paychecks issued, there'd be twice as many men as paychecks, due to under the table cash. There's usually a mexican boss and 95% of the weorkers are mexican, with about half not able to speak any English at all. That's how they make their money. "

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Building Inspector wrote on Mar 29, 2007 4:23 PM:

" You got it right! It's not the offer of free meals, free Kings tickets, or free gas fillups to inspectors. One problem is the way concrete slabs are (not)inspected. They are inspected visually only for single family dwellings. For commercial construction we use GPR radar to test if the concrete was mixed and poured properly, and to check all the rebar joints. Ask a home inspector if they use GPR to test the slabs. They will tell you NO. They either don't know how or will tell you it takes too much time. "

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FSBO wrote on Mar 29, 2007 4:03 PM:

" If you visit any new construction site "looking for work as a laborer" you'll find the workers will be candid about the "quality" of construction. You will also learn that most are working for cash. Maybe 1/3 - 1/2 do not have any deductions for Social Security or federal withholding. Many are receiving unemployment benefits under other names while they work for cash. This way they can pay less hourly knowing that the UI benefits fill in the gap in pay. "

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Wy wrote on Mar 29, 2007 12:32 PM:

" OTH... The Oak feel down in the 70s and was removed . So no rope. And the palms were not there back then. Nothing but vineyard "

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T & C wrote on Mar 29, 2007 10:37 AM:

" Realtors only give you the overall dimensions of a house. That's not living space and doesn't include the garage, stairways, halls, dead spaces under stairs, closets, etc. A 2200 sq. ft. home might have 1500 ft. of living space without that 3-car garage included. "

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T & C wrote on Mar 29, 2007 8:58 AM:

" FSBO, you're right, real estate attorneys are the only way to go. They work for you, unlike the greedy realtor who inflates the price and then "lets" you bargain down to a still overpriced home. It cost us $3200 for an attorney and a CPA to sell my mother-in-law's 3/4 million dollar home in Brooklyn in December 2006. Realtors have only one purpose, to show homes. Anyone can buy a realty license today, and it shows. That 6% commission is paid by the buyer, bottom line. "

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FSBO wrote on Mar 29, 2007 7:50 AM:

" You are right! I visited www.Zillow.com and looked at the "heat map". This shows the estimated cost /sqft. When you compare last months heat map, Lodi is getting cooler. The map goes from $700/square foot down to $50 per square foot. I had no idea that people were actually paying $700/sqft for houses. Thats crazy! There are fewer reds, but Lodi is still in the $300/sqft range. There are some houses popping up at $150/sqft just like you said. Very scary, your life savings in home equity vaporizes in front of your eyes. "

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To TOFSBO wrote on Mar 28, 2007 10:55 PM:

" I love to hear the sound of footsteps in the morning. The footsteps of our postal letter carriers as they distribute County Notice Of Defaults, and Mortgage company interest resets. The sound of telephones ringing at realty offices when the thousands of recent buyers try to sell their homes for less than they owe. Its as exciting as morning coffee from my favorite coffee house. Make mine a Grande mocha to go. "

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To TOFSBO wrote on Mar 28, 2007 10:45 PM:

" Who is your market? How many Lodians who make over $250,000/year would want to live in a stucco box? A+ credit + 250K is the minimum income required for a conventional loan for any decent housing. The buyer must sell their small, overpriced, bungalow to come up with the downpayment. Who will buy that 800 square footer for $400,000? Prices will spiral down and down. Whoever can sell their overpriced shack built in the 20's-30's the quickest is the winner. The NOD's are falling like autumn leaves at the Recorders office. The crunch is here. "

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Buy value not the loan wrote on Mar 28, 2007 10:23 PM:

" Lodi houses sell for $400/square foot, yet cost $125/square foot to build, it makes you wonder where the money is going? More stucco houses on concrete slabs, and "dog run" back yards won't improve Lodi. The illusion of a two story 1800 square foot house is a bad joke. You must deduct a minimum of 400 square feet for the hallways and stairwells. You now have a teensy 1400 square foot house quite including the 420 sq foot garage. We are under 1,000 square feet. Sounds more like an East side house built in the 1930's. "

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FSBO wrote on Mar 28, 2007 8:06 PM:

" Pull out of real estate! I know that Bears win, Bulls win and Pigs die. I am standing by waiting for the right time to pay CASH to the builders who are bleeding the most. I don't mean wounded, but bleeding. I can close a cash deal in days if its on MY terms. Attorneys are much better and cheaper advocates than Realtors AND THEY WORK FOR ONLY ONE CLIENT - ME. I'm already getting calls from contractors crying and whining about their PAIN. I see the bottom in California in 5-6 years. "

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FSBO wrote on Mar 28, 2007 7:34 PM:

" According to Dataquick 17% of the single family houses for sale in San Joaquin County are forced sales. In Sacramento County, Builders consistently beat the sales prices (sold- not asking price) of flippers and others in price per square foot for houses of all sizes. How else can the same new houses go from an average of $400/sqft down to $150/sq ft or less? "

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OTH wrote on Mar 28, 2007 6:25 PM:

" WY........3 palms is in now what is Parkwest. Thanks for the update I didn't know if granpas was still there. Have not ben out there in years. Is the rope still there? "

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WY wrote on Mar 28, 2007 3:49 PM:

" I know every lil dirt road out here and I could still fire up a dirt bike and take you where ever you want to go with out ever touching pavment. I totally know this side of Lodi. Nice try newbie. "

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WY wrote on Mar 28, 2007 3:40 PM:

" To Wy... I have lived on the north west side of town all my life. Grandpa's is still there at the moment. There is no time warp. I can walk you out there. Maybe your grandpa's is different than the one on the bend of the canal. I did hear OTH talk about "3 palms" and I don't remeber palms there. But grandpa's is still there. And yes you can't ride anymore there because you would ride in to someones back yard on the east side of the canal. "

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TO WY wrote on Mar 28, 2007 10:04 AM:

" Grandpas has had homes in front of it for 8 years. Dude, you in a time warp? "

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WY wrote on Mar 27, 2007 8:31 PM:

" Really...40 years is good , you're in! no worries whewww! lol So you've seen the Boat races before! To bad the City won't fire up the works high enough for the people in these new homes to see. bahahaha! But they can hop on the Lower Sac Express Way and go see them only 6 blocks away!It will take them only a second to speed over there. "

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WY wrote on Mar 27, 2007 8:19 PM:

" Leonard... did you ever hang out at "granpa's" when you were younger? That will be completely gone someday. Like Sand Beach is gone. It's sad to me. You can't even hang a rope out at the river any more. "

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WY wrote on Mar 27, 2007 8:04 PM:

" T&C... I think no one likes people that get in your face and say it like it is, like you do. The truth hurts. I think it's real and I like the fact that you're pissed with our town. Someone needs to be. It doesn't take a PHD to see liar standing before you. Rock on brother! You bring spice to the blog, the pod people like you! "

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TO FSBO wrote on Mar 27, 2007 3:53 PM:

" Since you like negative facts and figures, maybe you will like this one; During the month of Feb., sales of new homes were down 7% to 26% except in the West, where they increased 24.6%. That's why developers continue to build. Just thought you would like to know "the rest of the story". "

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T & C wrote on Mar 26, 2007 6:52 PM:

" No, Leonard. That's the good ole' boyz I refer to. LOL I respect you and your intelligence and opinions very much. Many times, you are the only one that even keeps these blogs going. I try to be controversial but Marty and Rich won't let me speak freely, refusing to post at least 25% of my blogs to protect the integrity (not) of certain parties. "

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Leonard wrote on Mar 26, 2007 5:33 PM:

" Really: Yeah... I am what T&C would call one of the "good old boys". Born and bred. "

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Really? wrote on Mar 26, 2007 11:29 AM:

" 1965 "

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Leonard wrote on Mar 26, 2007 8:06 AM:

" Really: I was born here. When did you move here? "

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Really? wrote on Mar 25, 2007 5:37 PM:

" Just curious Leonard, when did you move to Lodi? "

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Leonard wrote on Mar 25, 2007 12:34 PM:

" Patton: Noah was way out of step with the majority. Sometimes "way out of step with the majority" is just another way of saying "right". "

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WY wrote on Mar 25, 2007 11:13 AM:

" Observer... Your 3/24 11:57 post is how I remeber things. Those same people you mentioned, had the FIRE WORKS AT THE LAKE FOR FREE! No fence, no fights,no fees. Now we have crime in Slodi. Good thing the Old Timers can't see their TOWN go to crap. (Hey, maybe their Ghost ride'n with our youth?) "

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OTH wrote on Mar 25, 2007 10:15 AM:

" I second your "good ol dayz" "

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T & C wrote on Mar 24, 2007 10:12 PM:

" Brian, don't like em', don't read em'. And you want us to believe you're intelligent? Let's hear your suggestions, you seem to constantly side with the "good ole' boyz". "

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Observer wrote on Mar 24, 2007 3:02 PM:

" Settle down T&C. Every time you are challenged or asked to support your claims you run and hide or come back with personal attacks on the messenger. You are so sensitive but don't have any problem blasting anyone who doesn't agree with you which is 95% of the time. Relax and enjoy your retirement. I think you should stay away from this site. It's just not good for your health. Ahhh, going for a walk now, you should too. "

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Leonard wrote on Mar 24, 2007 2:09 PM:

" Really: I don't believe the axiom that growth is good for Lodi. As far as I can see, all of the effects of the suburban cancer that has afflicted this city for the last 20 years have been negative for the people who already lived here. "

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CW wrote on Mar 24, 2007 1:37 PM:

" T&C, you failed to respond to the challenge to present facts and or evidence. Please just provide a few facts and evidence so we can move forward from there. "

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patton wrote on Mar 24, 2007 12:09 PM:

" To Leonard, If you would prefer 0 growth so be it. however, we have a restrictive 2% cap on growth that we have never met. You are way out of step wit the vast majority of views. A new project serves many not to mention giving people a place to live. "

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Observer wrote on Mar 24, 2007 11:57 AM:

" I yearn for the "good ol days". Tom Peterson, McNatt, Pinkerton, Olson, Snyder, Hinchman, Reed, etc. The City was flush with money and everyone seemed to get along and respected one another, even when they disagreed. Department heads were first class. Those really were the "good ol days". "

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Brian wrote on Mar 24, 2007 9:21 AM:

" What I get out of T&C's comments is someone who is complaining about the new development but yet would complain about not enough housing in Lodi in the same breath. The CC are doing the best that they can to get their ducks in a row. Of course T&C is hard pressed to find anything good to say about the CC. One wonders what skeletons he has in HIS closet. "

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oh wrote on Mar 24, 2007 12:57 AM:

" We give you facts about the City and the special tactics that the Good Ole Boys pull on the Citizens all the time!It is put in your and my face all the time!How stupid can you people be to ask for facts that you can see for your self?Yucky more WALLS and Stucco!Go away TOM! "

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Really? wrote on Mar 23, 2007 7:42 PM:

" Leonard, on what basis should this project have been denied? It's been on the books for over 15 years. All of the other areas have been developed. Where is Lodi supposed to develop next? This site is not unreasonable and will within our 2% growth limit. "

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T & C wrote on Mar 23, 2007 7:31 PM:

" Keep on believing yourself observer. Keep repeating: My CC is honest, My CC is honest. Get over it, this is the crookedest bunch since the Snyder regime. Watch the CC meetings and see the hypocrisy and the members constantly contradicting themselves and discrediting anyone who disagrees with them. They work for us, not the developers, get that, patton? "

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Observer wrote on Mar 23, 2007 4:38 PM:

" CW, don't expect T&C to provide any factual information. He has none. He will continue to spew his hatred and conspiracy theories with no documentiation. You know the saying....if you tell long and loud enough, someone will believe you. Fortunately T&C doesn't fool most of us. "

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Leonard wrote on Mar 23, 2007 3:39 PM:

" patton: This project should never have been approved. It will not benefit the people of Lodi. Its only function will be to line the pockets of a few fat cat special interests. "

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Caveman wrote on Mar 23, 2007 2:50 PM:

" CW, Good point. I suspect there is some truth in what T&C says, but without supporting evidence...hard facts...not much to go on. I have been involved politically for some time and have come to similar conclusions. "

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CW wrote on Mar 23, 2007 10:40 AM:

" T&C sorry to disapoint you but I am not one of the good old boys. I am not a part of your conspiracy theory. I Have no vested interest. All I ever ask for is specific eveidence and facts which you refuse to provide. If that makes me a good old boy for wanting facts and specifics from you then so be it. Could it be possible that some of us are open to your accusations but we just would like to see supporting facts? "

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patton wrote on Mar 23, 2007 10:14 AM:

" What is controversial approving a project that has been anticipated for 15 years. What corruption? Who needs a payoff when this is so blah. At least with Delta College we can all say it wasnt already planned for. But not this one. "

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WY wrote on Mar 23, 2007 9:06 AM:

" Sounds like Frontiers needs to be slowed down. How sad to me. "

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T & C wrote on Mar 23, 2007 8:15 AM:

" Apparently, CW, I haven't accomplished much in my goal of exposing those that're corrupt, because people like you are naysayers and think you and your council management friends are above anything that might actually be honest. Get off your butt and just look around and do some real research. Those that make allegations at CC meetings are treated like kooks. You and people like you, make them go away and discredit them. Don't think I'm the only one concerned. "

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T & C wrote on Mar 23, 2007 8:09 AM:

" They need that new westside project for future customers for the new super Wel(fare)mart that's coming soon. Where is the water going to come from for all these new projects? City council, your priorities are as backwards as any I've ever seen. Instead of that builder-developer money going to pretty up the slum area, spend it to hire more police and fireman to patrol these new developments.What good is a new fire station without them paying for equipment and staff, instead of taxpayers? "

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T & C wrote on Mar 23, 2007 8:01 AM:

" Builders like FCB and their non-skilled labor force will come up with new schemes to qualify those that can't afford to buy. I can see mortgage brokers and builders merging with "payday loans" to sell those homes people here in the SJ valley can't afford on those $8 an hour jobs. About 450 and rising properties for sale in this area now and we're building more? Or how about some high risk 10% loans? LOL "

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CW from T&C wrote on Mar 23, 2007 7:54 AM:

" At the CC meeting these allegations were made by Ms. Jungelblut's wife, and it wasn't the first time. The last council meeting where this issue was addressed, the same allegations were made. Guilty conscience, CW? You're just another one of the "good ole' boyz" so you already have a handle on how these developers "buy" their way around this city council and management team. "

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Don't Forget wrote on Mar 23, 2007 7:09 AM:

" Resident.....don't forget that Lodi makes it as difficult as possible for new business to locate in Lodi. Don't you dare suggest a business that might compete with downtown or, god forbid, be non-union. No, we're going to cater to the upper class and forget about the majority of the citizens who need competition. "

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FSBO wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:47 PM:

" The California Housing Crash continues(see www.Patrick.net)AND the Lodi CC in its "wisdom" approves two more housing tracts AND tries to solve the problems of the Eastside by "fixing up" 25 dilapidated East side houses. By the end of 2007, few FCB houses will sell, Mortgage interest will increase, FNMA and GNMA are tightening loan requirements and over 40 mortgage companies have filed bankruptcy in recent months. By the end of 2008 the developers, realtors and politicians will be running around looking for a real job. The housing crash is already here! "

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CW wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:10 PM:

" T&C, you refer to inapropriate meetings between Mr. King and Mr. Doucette. Please state the what where and why? You continue to make these accusations and yet you fail to indicate facts or evidence. Also I would like to know specifically what you have done to make Lodi a better place? "

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sam wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:03 PM:

" Observer, that is an inappropriate comment. Cities grow and farmers are pushed out of business and forced to sell. Then the city folk call them "greedy farmers" for having to sell. You want to be surrounded by ag land?? Quit spreading. "

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Mr.HG wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:30 PM:

" An elementary school was promised, great! What about a High School? The portables are never going to leave Lodi High at this rate :-( "

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OTH wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:29 PM:

" Is the city going to hire more police and fire personnel? "

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Lodi Granny wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:29 PM:

" Where will the electricty come from for these homes. Lodi is in bad need of a sub-station on the West side. C.C. members are not useing their brains. DO THEY HAVE ANY???????? "

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Leonard wrote on Mar 22, 2007 6:01 PM:

" Hmmm... just what Lodi needs. More people, more crime and more pollution. "

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sam wrote on Mar 22, 2007 5:33 PM:

" T&C, I've heard Hitchcock and Glenn have property on the west side. Hmmm, makes ya wonder why she is so against Lodi growing towards Micke Grove, and wants Lodi to grow west towards Grupe and Spanos-ville. Cha-ching...money...money..money. "

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Resident wrote on Mar 22, 2007 4:25 PM:

" I am all for the housing growth, but how about some comercial growth to match it. Where are all these new residents going to shop and eat? Why is it every other city is willing to entice new businesses into their cities by waiving permit fees, electrical hookups, water, etc. yet all our citizens do is sue businesses to keep them out? Bring on the Super Walmart. "

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CAN'T WAIT wrote on Mar 22, 2007 4:10 PM:

" GEE I CAN'T WAIT TO HAVE MORE OF THE BAY AREA PEPS HERE IN OUR NOT SO LITTLE TOWN. LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!! "

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Observer wrote on Mar 22, 2007 3:22 PM:

" It will be interesting to see what Mr. Jungeblut will want to do with his property several years from now when it is next in line for annexation. I'll bet he's not going to be concerned about ag buffers at all. He's going to be the beneficiary of Lodi growing west. "

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T & C wrote on Mar 22, 2007 2:49 PM:

" Hitchcock didn't want Blue Shield and jobs, either, but more homes. Is she an investor in this Westside project? Or her husband? "

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Weezer wrote on Mar 22, 2007 2:39 PM:

" Welcome to liveable, loveable Elk Grove! "

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cc wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:55 PM:

" We thought that a buffer was a machine used to polish cars. "

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T & C wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:49 PM:

" At the previous council presentation, I thought that same buffer was a problem and was to be addressed in a different fashion, and the bike lane and pedestrian walks weren't acceptable either and weren't even addressed. Again, Ms. Mounce was the only dissenter to speak up and question any motives. I'll bet Katzakian Real Estate will be one of the realtors selling these homes in the future! Get it? "

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OTH wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:36 PM:

" The CC wouldn't know a buffer from a baguette. "

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KT wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:14 AM:

" I agree with Brian. How does a buffer in the center buffer anything except one house from another. I thought the buffer was to separate the ag from the residences, of course, that wouldn't be as profitable. Hmmm... "

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landlover wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:40 AM:

" It is about the $$, she did not want Delta, but she wants houses$$$$$$. "

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Brian wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:13 AM:

" Mr. Jungeblut and I have the same first name. I needed to clarify that. I did post the last comment. "

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Brian wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:10 AM:

" Yeah Susan, how does a buffer in the center of the development to separate ag land from future development work? It seems to me the whole purpose of the buffer goes right out the door. I'm always amazed with the twisted logic of the leaders in Lodi. For now, I'll consider this buffer bass ackwards until I get a reasonable explanation. "

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Can'tBelieveIt wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:03 AM:

" This will add to the crime in Lodi "

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3rd generation wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:42 AM:

" I'm glad to see the cc approved the annexation. I wish that the plans were more specific with the plans of the parks. How about an aquatic center? Another question, how is Hansen's adjacent land expected to depreciate from the development? I would question the appraiser. "

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T & C wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:37 AM:

" Matt Brown, you failed to mention the charges leveled against Mr. King about the "Secret meeting" between him and Doucette's interests that bypassed the planning commission to get this project approved. Why did you leave this very important piece of information out? And the CC turned a blind eye, except Ms. Mounce, and said not a word. Mr. King owes an explanation and some transscripts of this meeting. And I'm sure there were many other "meetings" over dinner and drinks. And you wonder where the corrupt accusations originate from. "

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