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A Lodi police car was set on fire Friday morning near an officer's house. (Brian Feulner/News-Sentinel)

Police car torched in Lodi; fire ruled arson

By Layla Bohm
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:07 PM PDT

A parked Lodi police car was intentionally set on fire early Friday morning and burned so badly that it will have to be replaced at the cost of about $43,000, officials said.

The suspects apparently poured gasoline in the front end of the black and white car, poured more gas down the street for 90 feet and then set the fire. The blaze burned down the road to the car, where the entire engine compartment was soon engulfed in flames, the first time veteran officers can ever recall a Lodi police car being torched.

The car was assigned to School Resource Officer Terry Martin, who said he didn't think he had been targeted in the arson fire.

It was the same police car that was stolen from a maintenance shop in June 2004 and recovered after the suspect got into a minor accident and then took the car for a spin through a field.

This time, the car is beyond repair.

"I don't have any idea who would do it," he said. "You try to have good contacts with people and, especially in the schools, you try to prevent things from happening so there's no need for punishment."

Martin retired from the department in June after more than 30 years as a police officer. The department was short-staffed and asked if he'd be willing to work part-time, and Martin agreed.


Rick Ohlhauser lifts the hood of a Lodi police car that was set on fire Friday morning near an officer's house. (Brian Feulner/News-Sentinel)

His favorite assignment had been working in the schools and he once again resumed that position when one of the department's four school resource officers went on maternity leave earlier this year.

Martin splits his time between several schools in Lodi and is assigned a marked patrol car, which he takes home, as do the department's other school resource officers. It was parked near his home off Mills and Lodi avenues when the fire was reported at 3:20 a.m.

His 10-year-old granddaughter, Jessica Strootman, lives on the same block and awoke to hear commotion.

"I woke up and looked out the window. It was all orange and I thought our trees were on fire," she said.

Her 7-year-old brother, Andrew, said he was asleep but did hear a loud "boom," which his mother, Jennifer Strootman, said was likely the popping of a tire.

By the time the fire was out, the black paint was gone and both front tires were shredded. The radiator and various valves were gone, and even the rear plastic seat bent from the heat.


Fire crews work to put out a Lodi police car set on fire Friday morning in Lodi. (Courtesy photo)

Martin was able to get some items out of the trunk, though many of his police trading cards, which are popular with school children, were melted together.

"I did save my 30-something-year-old ticket book. It's a little smoky," Martin said, standing near the scorched spot on the pavement where his car had been parked.

The lengthy gasoline burn path was still visible on the street, and foam from firefighters hadn't quite vanished yet.

Including computer and emergency equipment, the Ford Crown Victoria will cost about $43,000 to replace, said Larry Manetti, a retired Lodi police captain who is working part-time as fleet manager.

The 1999 car had about 80,000 miles on it and probably would have been replaced next year, Manetti said.

It is insured but — as most vehicle owners discover when a used car is totaled in an accident — the city will only get the current value of the car, said Kirk Evans, budget manager for the city. He did not have a dollar figure yet but said it would not likely be much.

The police department's fleet policy recommends replacing cars after four years or 90,000 miles, but most cars are kept longer because of the cost, he said. Four cars are currently waiting to be replaced; one is 11 years old and has 104,000 miles on it.

The car was one of 24 marked patrol vehicles the department uses, not counting those designated for the chief, captains and lieutenants, as well as detectives. One car is in the shop and Martin will likely have to share a car with other patrol officers, Manetti said.

Martin began driving a patrol car home about six years ago and never had problems until Friday morning. He didn't think anyone was targeting him, because his personal truck was parked nearby and unscathed, and his house was not harmed.

Police officials said they aren't ruling anything out in the investigation.

"It could be random, it could be a student," Capt. David Main said. "Terry's always had such great rapport with his students, but that's part of the job: You never know."

It's not unusual for officers in various departments to take cars home, Police Chief Jerry Adams said. In the case of school resource officers, they go straight to schools in the morning, and they are occasionally called at other hours by school principals, he said.

Vehicle: $23,000, including tax.

Emergency equipment, including police radio, lights and sirens, as well as labor: $13,500.

Computer, which includes report-writing capabilities, links to criminal databases and suspect photos: $6,200.

Source: Lodi Police Department

"A lot of cities have personal patrol programs where they have more patrol cars out in the community," Adams said. "It's probably good having (a marked car) out there in the community."

He, Main and Manetti could not recall another such incident in Lodi. Martin said that once, before he was hired in 1975, an officer's personal car was burned while parked in front of the police station. That officer was targeted personally, not because of his job, Martin said.

Investigators have no reason to believe the arson is tied to the car's theft in June 2004, since it was stolen from a different location.

Martin's car was being repaired at the city's maintenance yard when a 19-year-old Lodi man entered the yard and said he was there to pick up the car. He left, got into a minor fender-bender, did some doughnuts in the field and was arrested the next day after officers tracked calls he'd made on the car's cell phone.

He later pleaded guilty, and voluntarily searched on his own for the vehicle's key he had tossed in the field.

Police officials said they won't likely change car policies but haven't ruled it out.

"It does advertise what we do and where we live," Main said. "My car, it's obvious what I do. Of course, my neighbors love it."

Anyone with information could be eligible for a cash reward of up to $1,000 and can remain anonymous by calling Lodi-Area Crime Stoppers at 333-6771.

Contact reporter Layla Bohm at layla@lodinews.com.

Reader Feedback

Lodian wrote on Apr 2, 2007 12:59 PM:

" Yep, that's what I thought...nothing. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 31, 2007 3:52 PM:

" Unlodian: Bring it! "

Unlodian wrote on Mar 30, 2007 5:32 PM:

" Yeah, I'm talking to you LODIAN, who else??? "

WY wrote on Mar 30, 2007 4:20 PM:

" Let me include myself in the good bad example thingy. Have a good weekend "

WY wrote on Mar 30, 2007 3:41 PM:

" It's a really beautiful day today. Peace! "

WY wrote on Mar 30, 2007 3:35 PM:

" I think when you have allot of things on your mind you make mistakes. Like parents. Life wasn't meant to be so fast. We made it this way, not God. And to raise a child in the speed is frick'n scary. How do I finish in the green. Do I train them to fight, so they can servive the bickering. Yeild and be passive. I need to listen to people that did it right. "

WY wrote on Mar 30, 2007 3:28 PM:

" Sorry... You think I should worry about the fact that I get my letters backwards when I type. Is it a typo or dislexia? "

Wy wrote on Mar 30, 2007 2:08 PM:

" I think we should drink Merlot out of a flute just because it's prettier stem. Know this, class isn't everything. Manners mean WAY more Your class has nothing to do with it. But I'll walk that line with you if ya want. Is it a classy driver that yeilds to another driver, or a mannerful one? "

WY wrote on Mar 30, 2007 2:03 PM:

" A good question to ask people is..."well, What do you mean by that?" I think what is going on here with us woman is exactly what the girl is talk'n about. It's not just us it's everyone every where and it all starts at home. Truthfully I think all three of us ROCK. We should all inhale and hold it, and when we let it out we say nothing and start over. "

WY wrote on Mar 30, 2007 1:59 PM:

" Stcktngirl is my lil sister friend and you got book ends when you go off calling her a hater when she's no more that than you are a drunk. Are you seeing my point? You two are good bad example of tolerence for starngers. I really would like for the conversation to resume and resume with respect. I ask stupid questions all the time. So the questions you think you asked aren't my problem. "

WY wrote on Mar 30, 2007 1:54 PM:

" Lodian ... I don't know you . You don't know me. And you don't know Stcktngirl. To say she is a hater of children or teens, Is no different than getting called a drunk when NONE OF IT IS TRUE. So she's no more a hater than you are a drunk. But I for sure know I can't spell. I really think the two of you girls would get along in the real world. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 30, 2007 9:17 AM:

" WY: I could care less about your spelling challenges. Never have, never will. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 30, 2007 9:16 AM:

" WY: "you have really changed from when I started reading these blogs" So have you, dear. Perhaps you need to check yourself. You do not know me yet you feel it's okay for you to call me names and a drunk? Sure, you've got class. Also, you say your kids love stkngrl19? What the heII is that? Who cares? This is a blog in response to articles of the day, not a popularity contest. Your personal attacks are in appropriate. "

Delta Instructor wrote on Mar 29, 2007 11:24 PM:

" My thoughts and prayers go out to the Martin family. It must be awful having someone attack you at home. On a lighter note. I used to have a Crown Victoria. With the electrical problems it had, I thought about torching it or running it into a wall. Wasn't my favorite car. "

WY wrote on Mar 29, 2007 10:12 PM:

" You are getting mean on your post. My kids LOVE STOCKTONGIRL. She's a good person, and until now I just kept reading your BS between each other. But you're so off with your "hate" comment.You need to get a spoon and eat that crap yourself. Man... you have really changed from when I started reading these blogs. "

WY wrote on Mar 29, 2007 10:04 PM:

" Lodian... Why would you say that Stckngirl is a teen hater? You're drunk! Do you know her to say that? Now your bug'n me. She is a good person, raised in a good family. and knows right from wrong. She's quick and whitty and you have brought a knife to a gun fight with this gal. You better pick up the tempo if intend on a win. Did i spell all that right? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 29, 2007 10:03 AM:

" stkngirl19: Why are you such a "teen" hater? Geez. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 29, 2007 9:07 AM:

" Dr, Phil: Thanks, I'll take them now! LOL! "

Dr, Phil wrote on Mar 28, 2007 10:49 AM:

" Lodian, I have your meds waiting for you at the clinic! "

Lodian wrote on Mar 28, 2007 9:00 AM:

" stkngirl19: Up until yesterday my last post to you was on March 22 (4 days). If you don't want to converse with me, then DON'T. You seem to have such a hard time with this so perhaps it is time you take a break from the blogs. It's funny, you ask me to stop posting, yet you continue to address me specifically. Weird. Now, you should stick to the topic or go tend your garden. "

M. Yates wrote on Mar 27, 2007 8:13 PM:

" Was it "K. Motts" or "K. Knutson" who torched the PD car? "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 27, 2007 5:43 PM:

" Lodian..Its been four days since I asked you to indulge me in a bit of silence. You continue to snipe at me on this blog as well as others. You need to let it go. Move on. Its over. I'm done. I can't continue to contribute to your mental instability with a clear conscience. "

Unlodian wrote on Mar 27, 2007 2:19 PM:

" Lodian, you sure do waste a lot of energy on the LNS Blogs don't you? Why don't you channel your energy into something more productive, like work? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 27, 2007 9:33 AM:

" stkngirl19: You really need to stop making things up and posting what you think I have said in old blogs, especially when you are making it up. If all you can do is make things up to support your views then perhaps you shouldn't post your views. I know, you could actually come up with reasons of your own to support your views, better yet...just tell the truth. Stop running these blogs into the ditch by dredging up old blog topics and posts that never existed. That looks to be your way of avoiding the real issues at hand. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 27, 2007 9:25 AM:

" sam: The statement should have read "the" instead of "this" ("...does not in any way compare to "the" article..."). The point was that adding views from old blogs doesn't necessarily have much to do with the current topic. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 26, 2007 9:35 AM:

" Now thats appropriate,call the "teens" in for backup. "

to Hello wrote on Mar 25, 2007 5:46 PM:

" Your mom said "The old blog about teens defecating on the bathroom floors and dirty high school bathrooms does not in any way compare to this article about drivers and accidents on HWY12. " Read her 3/22 5:14pm post carefully before you jump down Sam's or anyone's elses throat. You need to stay on topic. "

hello18 wrote on Mar 25, 2007 1:33 AM:

" sam, "this article is NOT about Hwy 12". That is what lodian just said! By the way, have you caught the person that torched the cop car? You seem to already have ateenager convicted. try to stay on the topic. "

sam wrote on Mar 23, 2007 6:00 PM:

" Lodian, this article is NOT about Hwy 12. It is about someone torching a cop car. AND YES it is related to l students who vandalize schools. Both show a complete disregard for others property. If a child feels free to dump in a bathroom corner, paint on a bathrrom wall, litter on campus grounds, or torch a cop car, he/she has no respect for public property. I guarantee this carries over into his/her adult life. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 23, 2007 4:19 PM:

" Lodian...Now if you could please just indulge me in a a little bit of silence. "

stkn wrote on Mar 23, 2007 2:35 AM:

" A daylong parole sweep Wednesday netted 63 arrests, including 26 fresh charges, Stockton police reported Thursday. Police teamed with state parole agents and law enforcement officials from other local and state agencies to check on south Stockton's most violent parolees. About $1,400 cash, two guns, 6 grams of marijuana, numerous knives and a sword were also seized, police reported. - THE STOCKTON RECORD (Maybe one of these upstanding citizens from Stockton were the ones that set the fire. They sure have a problem with the police) "

Lodian wrote on Mar 22, 2007 5:14 PM:

" stkngirl19:Okay...I'll indulge your retro theme today. Your comparisons do not make sense.The old blog about teens defecating on the bathroom floors and dirty high school bathrooms does not in any way compare to this article about drivers and accidents on HWY12. I never, in your wildest dreams, said kids were not responsible for creating the bathroom problem. What I said was not "ALL" the kids defecate on the floor. There's a difference.Maybe some sunshine will clear out the cobwebs for you today. Oh, and I've been outside all day...I'm outside right now and it's beautiful.I read a lot...so sue me! "

gool ol lodi wrote on Mar 22, 2007 1:37 PM:

" it was probably the police just to get insurance money. Has anyone considered that. "

OTH wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:53 PM:

" How do you know it was kids? Are you aware of how many adults prowl the streets at night? Maybe a kid did do it but they aren't the only possibility. If it was a kid they will brag about it to somebody. And then mommy and daddy will pay them out of it and life will go on. "

WY wrote on Mar 22, 2007 11:14 AM:

" OTH... us either! we never thought of touching a vine. I mean it's a huge deal in the country to take out someones vine by being stupid. I could totally see the kids of today racing through them. What do they care... they won't get caught, especailly if the Sherif has to catch them. They take for ever. "

WY wrote on Mar 22, 2007 11:09 AM:

" OMG! OTH we have to know each other!!! we walked through that area to get to west gate.LMAO partied there and rode moto cross there. You might be older but we still hung out there in the 70s It was a major place for the country kids. I have know idea who owned the land. We couldn'd dust the vines getting there. My dad would watch us ride to make sure we didn't. "

To: Lodian wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:47 AM:

" You said, "Deal with your demons." Sounds like you need to do the same!!! "

OTH wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:12 AM:

" I don't know why but the thought never occured to us to tear up someone else's property. There were too many other things to that were fun. We looked out for each other. "

OTH wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:09 AM:

" Half full............We used to go to grampas. The one only getting hurt were us when we had foot races and ran into a graprevine. Didn't hurt the grapevine but we had some bruises. Or twisted our ankles in a hole we couldn't see in the dark. We thought it was great fun. God to be that age again and have those days back. LOL "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:12 AM:

" Lodian..I did express myself months ago on the blog about the high school kids crapping in the floor of the lodi high bathroom.Remember the blog? The reason I bring it up now is because its a pattern with you. Your attitude when it comes to these kids is always the same. You say its finding a solution, I say its not making them accountable. Its redundant. I'm going to work in my garden this a.m. Do you ever get outside? Its nice, you should give it a try. "

WY wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:29 PM:

" Who is in denial? This is the frick'n hardest job I have ever had. I can't look away for second. I'd drop the ball. I want a particular kind of person when I'm done. I want them to be better than myself. I have to work hard, and when I get to the part where I can't help them I need kind people to carry on with me. You have to be careful whom you let in. "

WY wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:16 PM:

" Sorry not calm, claim. (I can't spell or type...you'd think that would stop me) It doen't matter. I think we all sorta mean the same things.I have a responsibility to the child that is standing next to me at any time, whom ever he belongs to, to set a good example. To do WJWD for that child. We all have to guide them, if only with a smile. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:13 PM:

" stkngirl19: "blame the janitors" "can't even come to terms with it on this blog" "..couldn't even convince you that the high school kids shouldn't defecate in the school bathroom floor" ??? LMAO!!! Where are you, stkngirl19? Floating in the clouds somewhere? How does this all relate to this police car fire? Maybe you should express yourself on the blog when the article is out and not months later on a new blog. Odd. The resentment you harbor is more than evident. Deal with your demons. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:01 PM:

" WY: What does this mean? "I bit different from the list of people you calm are resonsible for the children". "

Lodian wrote on Mar 21, 2007 9:57 PM:

" stkngirl19: Society has a responsibility...MEANING, the people in your kids life. I already explained that to you. Sorry you are having a hard time understanding the concept. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 21, 2007 6:49 PM:

" Lodian...If you're trying to imply I am posting under the same sn as amazed you should know better than that. Does it sound like I'm afraid to post whatever I feel like saying? Anything to get off the subject, right? "

WY wrote on Mar 21, 2007 4:43 PM:

" Lodian... The "dream team" are all the people that you think need to be responsilbe to your/our kids. Life boils down to RESPECT! I really don't think I misundersood you. I read it again and still get the same feeling for your comment. With your last post, I now know what you mean. I bit different from the list of people you calm are resonsible for the children "

Jim Lang wrote on Mar 21, 2007 4:33 PM:

" My wife and I managed to raise 3 wonderful kids and it wasn't by being in denial. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 21, 2007 4:14 PM:

" (continued..) Your quick forward thinking solution providing idea on that was to blame the janitors for cleaning the bathrooms often enough... "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 21, 2007 4:11 PM:

" Lodian..I don't believe for one second you're the type of parent that would want another parent to alert you your kid was doing something wrong. You can't even come to terms with it on this blog. The mere suggestion about your kids or anyone elses doing something wrong you get defensive. I couldn't even convince you that the high school kids shoudn't defecate in the school bathroom floor. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 21, 2007 3:42 PM:

" Lodian....You said "Yes,society also has a responsibility" in your march 20th 2007 3:23 post. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 21, 2007 3:04 PM:

" Amazed/stkngirl19: Okay, I'll bite... where exactly was this said backpeddling? Give me a break. You have nothing to add so you just send in a quick jab. Get a thought of your own and return to try again. "

Amazed wrote on Mar 21, 2007 2:38 PM:

" Look at Lodian back peddle when she gets called on the carpet. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 21, 2007 2:37 PM:

" WY: I do not have a "Dream Team". My kids have two parents that do their job. No one is raising/raised my kids except their parents. However, there have been some wonderful people in their lives along the way that have been caring, influential and inspiring. I appreciate their contributions and feeling of "responsibility" in being good role models in my children's lives. Thank God not everything feels withdrawn from being involved in the lives of kids around them. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 21, 2007 2:25 PM:

" stkngirl19: So, if your kid is doing something bad, you don't want to know about it? If the police take your kid downtown or find drugs in his locker, you don't want to know about it? If your sister/brother sees your teenager driving recklessly and/or looks to be drunk/high, you don't want them to tell you? I'm really confused as most good parents would want to know if this was happening. Get the point yet? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 21, 2007 2:18 PM:

" WY: continued... I NEVER said anyone else should help raise my kids or anyone else's kids. I said that people have a responsibility to the kids in their lives. Can you see the difference? Try. It's interesting how the words/accusations of others can somehow be seen as something I said even though I never said anything of the sort. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 21, 2007 2:17 PM:

" WY: I'm not some extreme liberal idiot that sits around twiddling my thumbs and expects others to raise my children. Are you kidding me? You, and others here, are not getting my point. Contrary to what you seem to believe, I am not a supporter of "the village" mentality. It's sort of funny because if you knew me personally, you would laugh at that statement. continued... "

Half Full wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:50 AM:

" OTH- I agree. 25-30yrs ago I was one of many who would party & drink beer at "3-Palms," now in the center of Park West. We never did vandalism. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:43 AM:

" To Lodian...My responsibility to other peoples kis is to pay one tax after another and keep my opinion to myself when they do something I don't like. "

WY wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:34 AM:

" You make it sound like if the Jones had crappy kid, it's my fault "

WY wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:24 AM:

" Lodian ... wait till someone in your Dream Team takes hold of your child and hurts them. I have gone off on one that thought they should help me "raise my kid". I almost went to jail. Society needs to stay out of my rearing. I think I should be the one raising my child, not cops,teachers Drs. and who ever else you think should do my job. It's my job! "

WY wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:16 AM:

" Lodian... I think the mentality of "It takes a village to raise a child" is so tired! There are to many village idiots! No thanks! No way! "

Punish wrote on Mar 21, 2007 9:13 AM:

" Your all saying "punish your children, spank them at a young age" blah blah blah..I know a child who was punished a lot in his childhood and know is the kind to do this. His parents are friends of mine, and are wonderful and did their best to raise him right. If you punish them enough, they will rebel. "

OTH wrote on Mar 21, 2007 7:48 AM:

" There was a time when we partied in the vineyards. We NEVER damaged any property. That's not what we were there for. Todays kids are different. There is no respect for other peoples property. The cost of a mature grape vine is substantial and it's too bad some of them are held to answer for the destruction. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 20, 2007 9:28 PM:

" stkngirl19: You are wrong. I said, "The kids as well as others in their life also have a responsibility". Parents, relatives, teachers, coaches, scout leaders, instructors, counselors, babysitters, doctors etc etc all have a responsibility to the children in their lives. Are you telling me that you disagree with this? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 20, 2007 9:06 PM:

" sam: What the heck? Why are you addressing and attacking me? For Goodness sake, all I said was that the vineyard parties have gone on for decades. In other words, it's nothing new, a continued problem that doesn't seem to go away. I was agreeing with you! OMG! Relax! My kids don't trespass on your land. My kids don't break your vines. Take out your anger where it belongs. I didn't disagree with any vineyard party issue stated, so why are you getting yourself all worked up at me? "

Tom wrote on Mar 20, 2007 7:41 PM:

" Stkngirl19. great point about the Brookside incident. That was a hate crime, not innocent teens. And Sam, you are right. Parents need to be resposible for their teens, watch them carefully and teach them well. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 20, 2007 6:23 PM:

" You're welcome Sam. Having your support on this means alot since you have clearly raised some great kids of your own and I'm sure you've made a big difference in the lives of those you've taught. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 20, 2007 6:04 PM:

" Lodian...The solution often sits right where the blame does. People have to acknowledge and take responsibility for their actions before they can change their behavior. When I give you my solution and it involves accountability you dismiss it, tell me it will never work,tell me I just like to complain and tell me I haven't provided a solution. I keep quiet hoping the lightbulb will come on in your head but it never does. At some point it gets redundant with you and I move on. "

sam wrote on Mar 20, 2007 5:27 PM:

" Thanks Stkngirl19, your posts are so true. "

sam wrote on Mar 20, 2007 5:25 PM:

" Lodian. Just because their mommy or daddy broke the law, does not give them the right to trespass and vandalize my vineyard. Respect starts at home. Teach your kids to respect other peoples property. And NO, our vineyards are not pretty little places for them to hang out in with their meth and kegs. "

sam wrote on Mar 20, 2007 5:25 PM:

" Lodian, your quote: "Partying in the vineyards has been going on for decades, or longer" . That does not make it right. My kids do not trespass and party at your house or business. Get real. Trespassing is against the law. These are not cute kids. They are vandals, trespassers, and rude little a$$ holes. "

sam wrote on Mar 20, 2007 5:24 PM:

" Lodian, of course I call the sheriff. I lose vines all the time. Cute Lodi kids running from the cops, cutting through my "business" to avoid arrest. They take out my vines as they run, 5 years of profit per vine. The parents NEED to take responsibility and KNOW where there kids are at night. The parents should pay. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 20, 2007 4:12 PM:

" Lodian...What responsibility does society have in raising other peoples children? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 20, 2007 4:08 PM:

" I guess you are a pick it apart and find the source of the problem type of gal and I am one that likes to look forward for change, options and solutions. Both are necessary, but just different. Guess we'll have to understand that. I often ask you for a solution idea and do not get a response. I see that you don't like that I do not acknowledge your points on who is to blame (though I do feel I have done so). How about we embrace the differences. :-) "

Lodian wrote on Mar 20, 2007 3:42 PM:

" stkngirl19: When I posted... "shouldn't the homeowners address this themselves?" THIS MEANS..... Call the police. Why do you disagree with this approach? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 20, 2007 3:30 PM:

" stkngirl19: Let me ask you this. Do you think you will change parents that do not take responsibility for their children by suggesting they do so? NO! Just like drivers on a highway, you cannot make everyone change and do what is best for all. Yes, we all agree that the parents of bad kids need to do something about their kids and their parenting. Drivers need to be careful etc etc etc... Now, can we move on to solutions instead of always just stating the blinding obvious over and over again on every blog? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 20, 2007 3:23 PM:

" stkngirl19:You say, "...you place responsibility on schools,cops,highways, ANYWHERE but with the parents of these kids". Are you kidding me? I hold parents feet to the fire all the time! The parents have the first and foremost responsibility for their kids. The kids as well as others in their life also have a responsibility. I think that is what you don't like. Yes,society also has a responsibility. What's your beef with that? YOU, nor I will ever change the attitudes of all the idiot parents, therefore I look for answers that will not wait for bad parents to become good parents...(con't) "

Lodian wrote on Mar 20, 2007 3:15 PM:

" stkngirl19: Wow, we sure have a hard time communicating with one another. LOL! ....... "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 20, 2007 2:08 PM:

" A kid learns to disrespect authority early, the consequences just get bigger as life goes on. It starts out when they are disrespectful toward their parents and progresses to teachers, bosses, police, etc. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 20, 2007 2:04 PM:

" Lodian...Before you remind me AGAIN that there are plenty of adults that commit crimes too, I know. I'm aware of that. Makes me wonder where their parents went wrong too. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 20, 2007 1:57 PM:

" Sam...I coudn't agree with you more. I feel like every blog involving a kid (which is alot of them if its crime related) eventually boils down to this argument. I'm tired of it. The Brookside incident, street racing, the hyphy movement, gang banging, dui's. Kids are more out of control these days for a variety of reasons, none of which matter when the end result is all the same. Innocent people are suffering. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 20, 2007 1:50 PM:

" sam: I just read my post over again and for the life of me I cannot see where you would come close to thinking that my statement even hits of condoning the teens in the vineyard. Maybe this is a hot button issue for you, since you live in the country and all? Anyway, back to the topic at hand... "

Lodian wrote on Mar 20, 2007 1:48 PM:

" sam: It sounds like you have personal knowledge of the problem with "partying" in the vineyard on Stockton Street. Have you called the police? If so, what was the outcome? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 20, 2007 1:45 PM:

" sam: Calm down. LOL! Of course I don't condone the teens behavior. Kinda odd you would think I'd be okay with it. Anyway, stating what has been going on does not condone it. It sounds like you have had some issues with this that hit closer to home as you seem pretty upset about it. Also, your first comment was different than the second in regards to the vineyard teens... "Lodi kids partying in the vineyards at the end of Stockton Street" vs. "...racing in the vineyards drunk and loaded, destroying private property". "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 20, 2007 1:43 PM:

" Lodian...Heres how the cops are going to find out who did this...If it was kids, they will be so stupid and arrogant that they'll brag to one of their little friends at school. The kids they bragged to will go home and tell their parents. The kids parents will call the school and the cops to report it. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 20, 2007 1:40 PM:

" Lodian...You ask "shouldn't the homeowners address this themselves?" Are you crazy? Excatly what DO you think a parents responsibilites are as far as raising their kids? Blog after blog you place responsibility on schools, cops, highways, ANYWHERE but with the parents of these kids. You get defensive if someone implies these kids and their parents are at fault. What gives? "

Happy Days wrote on Mar 20, 2007 12:36 PM:

" Clearly, society has lost all respect for law enforcement. I think law enforcement needs to figure out why! "

sam wrote on Mar 20, 2007 10:23 AM:

" Lodian, not racing in the vineyards drunk and loaded, destroying private property. I never did that as a teen. The police and the neighbors have been fighting it for some time. You are a parent and with your comment "Partying in the vineyards has been going on for decades", sounds like you are condoning it. That is what is sad. Parents need to step up to the plate and teach their kids what is right and wrong. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 20, 2007 8:55 AM:

" sam: "Lodi kids partying in the vineyards at the end of Stockton Street"... That doesn't surprise me. Partying in the vineyards has been going on for decades, or longer. Have the police paid them a visit? Is this an ongoing thing in that location? There are some homes right there. Shouldn't the homeowners there have addressed this themselves? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 20, 2007 1:01 AM:

" I can't see any way they are going to find out who did this unless a witness, or one of the people who participated in this, comes forward. I don't think any one of the homes over there has a night security camera or anything. This is going to be up to a very good investigative team that are able to shake out the truth. I sure hope they find the culprits. This is a serious crime and the ones who did this are disturbed and violent monsters. "

sam wrote on Mar 19, 2007 5:51 PM:

" Lodian... this could have been done by an 11 year old or a stupid 19 year old. I have met 11 year olds who were quite capable and eager to do such a disgusting act. Don't kid yourself. I do agree that parents need to wake up to where their kids are... Hey what about the "cute" Lodi kids partying in the vineyards at the end of Stockton Street, "cranking away" and drinking? Lodi's loveable teens, NOT. "

Chingon wrote on Mar 19, 2007 1:02 PM:

" $43,000.00 for that tyupe of car yeah right.! "

Lodian wrote on Mar 19, 2007 9:32 AM:

" P.S....why is this not on the "top blogs" list? "

Lodian wrote on Mar 19, 2007 9:31 AM:

" Personally, I have a feeling that this may have been done by someone older than the kids some here suspect. This looks to be premeditated as they had a gas can/container and set a line to lead to the car that was to be set a blaze. If it was a kid I think they would have done something stupid like smash a window or damage the car in some way as they passed, not came armed with gasoline and matches in hand. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 19, 2007 9:29 AM:

" Hey: It doesn't matter if you spank or not...if you don't know where your kids are at 3am then you have got some serious issues! "

Lodian wrote on Mar 19, 2007 9:27 AM:

" In response: I think I would feel forever guilty if my adult child continued to make wrong choices. I guess it depends on the severity of those wrong choices. "

In response To: Parents! wrote on Mar 19, 2007 1:37 AM:

" We can do everything right in raising our kids, but that doesn't mean that they will not get into trouble. It's called free will. Either the kid will make a right choice or wrong choice. I was a very good parent, raised my kids right. I have one child who has done the right things in life and the other continuously making wrong ones. I refuse to feel guilty anymore for the kid's wrong choices he CHOOSES to make! A blanket statement such as yours is presumptuous. Be careful or else you may have to eat your own words someday. "

FYI wrote on Mar 18, 2007 8:56 PM:

" Arsonists often escape punishment. Only 16 percent of arson offenses lead to arrest, and only 2 percent of those arrested are convicted. So the the chances of them being caught and convicted slim to none. Lots of Police dept take home there patrol cars its not uncommon. And Just because Officer Terry Martin was assigned to School Resource does not mean this act was only commented by a student. Most Kids are good. "

wait a minute... wrote on Mar 18, 2007 8:55 PM:

" Everyone seems to be assuming that it was a kid or kids that did this rotten act!!! We may want to consider that an adult may be responsible. I totally agree with everones comments about knowing where your kids are and what they are doing, but this may not be kids at all. Either way, we need to find these criminals and put them away. "

Lodian wrote on Mar 18, 2007 8:32 PM:

" This may not have been done by a youth. "

Hey Lodian wrote on Mar 18, 2007 7:27 PM:

" I disagree, some kids do need to be spanked when necessary! If kids at a young age are allowed to do and say anything they want, as they get older they will just tell their parents off,never fearing the consequences. Then by the time they're teens they will do what they want, when they want. I've seen it firsthand! "

Lodian wrote on Mar 18, 2007 4:38 PM:

" To:Parents!: I don't think spanking your kids when they're young is the answer here. I think knowing where your child is at 3:00AM is more important in this case. What kind of parent doesn't know where their kids are at 3:00AM? "

ToTony wrote on Mar 18, 2007 1:29 PM:

" The only officers that take home patrol cars are the School Officers, and there are only 4 school officers. "

LodiSoldier wrote on Mar 18, 2007 9:44 AM:

" If we damage government propert, we get "No-Pay Due" on our Leaves and Earnings statement. Sounds like the perpetrators need to cough up some cash. Sure hope they are caught. "

8th grade friend wrote on Mar 17, 2007 11:33 PM:

" Officer Martin is a good guy. He really tries to help you out. Whoever did this is a real $^#&!! jerk. "

Ajax wrote on Mar 17, 2007 10:32 PM:

" Many police departments (if not the majority) allow police officers to take their vehicles home for a variety of good reasons fro what I've been told, e.g., speeds response to emergency responses where officers are called in from off-duty time, provides a neighborhood police presence, allows officers to start work as soon as they get in the car and extends their day to when they park at home. These officers often have specialized gear in their vehicles and its inefficent to require them to remove it at the end of their shift. "

Samantha wrote on Mar 17, 2007 6:55 PM:

" Apparently California is having problems with the police department. First, insufficient cops to fill in positions. Second, recently two Sacramento female cops were caught having phone sex with jail inmates. And now this. What's next? We need to crack down and mean business! "

To :Parents! wrote on Mar 17, 2007 6:08 PM:

" Spank your kids when they're young and this disrespectful shi** won't happen when they get older!!!! Get a clue, as this all comes down to how you all raise them!! It's called parenting! Children need moral values, discipline, and boundaries! Gangbanging is NOT cool so grow up and get an education! "

Acampo wrote on Mar 17, 2007 2:34 PM:

" At least put it in the garage, but on that part of town i wouold feel safe. Poor guy, how humiliating. I hope they catch the idiots who did this, and make them pay every penny that car was woth. And if they were kids, their parents should be charged also!! Parents need to keep better tabs on their kids!!! "

Whoa Nellie! wrote on Mar 17, 2007 1:07 PM:

" I know exactly where Officer Martin lives, it is a nice quiet block. Someone searched this car out for vandalism. BUT, the bigger question is why does LPD allow officers to take home patrol cars overnight? The CHP requires their officers to park their cars in the garage. "

Reggie wrote on Mar 17, 2007 12:35 PM:

" So our own police cars are being set ablaze in the night? *closes eyes, repeats several times*...there are no crime issues in Lodi.... "

Leadership... wrote on Mar 17, 2007 11:48 AM:

" This is a direct reflection of lack of leadership. It is time that our officers should be supported to better handle more difficult members of society. This includes citizens as well. These types of incidents lead to more hurtful crimes. Insideous behavior must be addressed early and often. It is time to support our police more than ever. "

Daniel wrote on Mar 17, 2007 10:19 AM:

" This only proves that there are unsupervised juvenile minds. "

TonyT wrote on Mar 17, 2007 10:11 AM:

" Lodi PD should have known better. Times have changed and there is less respect for Law Enforcement these days. Parking a Police Car in a residential area late at night was an accident waiting to happen. Now the taxpayers must pay for a new Police Car. Hope Lodi PD will now revisit their take home Police car policy. "

none wrote on Mar 17, 2007 9:57 AM:

" Terry is such a nice person! I hope this was just somthing random. LODI loves you officer Martin! "

Steward wrote on Mar 17, 2007 9:25 AM:

" This act was done by one or more sick indviduals. They are not phased by anything. To think about sneaking up on a policeofficers car and torching it right in front of his or her home, be afraid, very afraid. These bas___ds need to be taken off the street and locked up fast. "

stkngirl19 wrote on Mar 17, 2007 8:01 AM:

" Sounds like he gave the wrong 8th grader a ticket! "

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