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Muslims must rise up to demand change, progress

Updated: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:43 AM PDT

The Organization of Islamic Conference was created in 1969 and it has 57 member countries. The majority of Muslims live in these 57 countries. One of the planks of the charter of OIC is to "eliminate racial discrimination and all forms of colonialism."

Many Muslims around the world believe that the problems they are facing were caused by the old colonial powers and the new world superpowers, including the United States. There is no doubt that outside powers had exploited these nations and territories for their own benefits, but there have been ample opportunities in the lives of these nations to set themselves straight on the path of economic and political progress. But most of them have failed miserably in capitalizing on these opportunities.

In the 15th century, the colonial powers of Europe started expanding and conquering lands in Asia and Africa. They went far and wide. Indonesia came under the rule of Netherlands; India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Malaysia were ruled by the British; French ruled Syria together with some parts of North Africa, including Chad and Sudan; Libya was ruled by Italians; Morocco was ruled both by Spaniards and the French. All the central Asian states were controlled by the U.S.S.R.

During the peak of the Ottoman Empire, it controlled the whole of the Middle East. The Colonial powers, after the World War I, broke the empire into pieces and turned these pieces over to local chieftains, warlords and emirs.

Most of these countries got their freedoms in the 1940s-1960s after long struggles. More than a half a century of freedom could not bring pluralistic rules. Corruption in these countries is rampant and disorders are commonplace. Some of them still cannot figure out what system of government they need to adopt. Some call themselves Islamic Republic, some are patterned after the British system of parliamentary democracies, others are autocratic kingdoms, and some have presidents for life.

Professor John Esposito of Georgetown University in his book "Islam in Asia: Religion, Politics and Society," describes in detail the systems of government each of these Muslim countries have.

In Egypt, the president can be elected an unlimited number of times and once elected essentially becomes ruler for life. Pakistan, although called Islamic Republic of Pakistan, never became Islamic or a republic. The military dictators found every opportunity to oust an elected government and ruled the country by martial law.

The autocratic rulers of Saudi Arabia used to call themselves Jalatul Mulk (elegant ruler of the land) until there was an uprising in the 1980s when they changed their title to Khadimin Haramain (custodians of the holy places).

The official title of Libya is Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya. The last word in the title means democracy. This nation has never seen real democracy. Yet all these countries call their system of government "Islamic."

After the departure of Russian troops from Afghanistan there was a golden opportunity for the Afghanis to start afresh. But the Mujahidin leaders, who fought the Russians very effectively, became warlords and started fighting each other for control of the territories and opium trade. All this infighting and lawlessness gave rise to the Taliban who crushed these warlords and started its own reign of terror and created an environment which allowed al-Qaida to flourish. Yet most of Afghanis believe that their problems were caused by outside forces.

The Muslim nations have been in a downward spiral. Due to the corruption, mismanagement, uncertainty and lack of progress, the people of these nations are finding themselves out of sync with their governments and governing officials.

In this day of Internet and 24 hour news briefs, a person sitting in a desolate place in Kazakhstan can easily find out what is happening in the world.

They demand change, which the corrupt autocratic regimes are continually resisting. There is a big void between the people and the leaderships. There are no processes or institutions which would allow a new generation of leaders to emerge. The political and economic progress is stymied. The OIC has become a forum for speeches and press releases.

The void between the corrupt leaders and the needs of the people is filled by people like Osama bin Laden, who capitalize on the frustration of the people and in the cloak of religion take them on journey which does not fit into the modern day world politics, their own culture, or faith.

People of these nations have to rise up and demand change, without which this downward spiral will continue.

Taj Khan of Lodi is a consultant and retired engineering manager for the Sacramento Municipal Utility District.

First published: Friday, September 8, 2006

Reader Feedback

Leonard wrote on Sep 22, 2006 8:37 AM:

" Skilos: Your support of Mr Bush's torture policy is part of what made the torture of Mr. Arar possible. In a democracy, citizens are (at least in part) responsible for the actions of the politicians they elect. "

Skilos wrote on Sep 21, 2006 11:08 PM:

" Leonard; yesterday you suggested that I am guilty of torture (Sept 20, 3:29PM), what pray tell can you possibly base such an over the top accusation upon? I spent several days in Branson, MO at a U.S. Navy Reunion and wasn't even in this conversation. "

OTH wrote on Sep 21, 2006 8:28 AM:

" Leonard.......Someone at high levels should face charges for Mr. Arar. That was kidnapping and torture bottome line. Do you really think Bushe runs the gov. or do you think it's Rumsfeld, Cheney and Rove? It's interesting that when he was elected he chose those men from his fatheres team. He couldn't find anybody on his own? "

Leonard wrote on Sep 21, 2006 7:12 AM:

" To the Moderator: Thank you! "

Leonard wrote on Sep 21, 2006 4:46 AM:

" Moderator: The post from 10:23 PM was not made by me. Please delete it and, if you can do so by tracking ISPs let us know who really posted it. Thanks, Leonard "

oh wrote on Sep 21, 2006 12:12 AM:

" Muslims must Wise up and demand Peace!That is what this should be about!Good By! "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 20, 2006 8:20 PM:

" Donald Rumsfeld hasn't been fired because Bush sees bowing to public pressure as a weakness which could lose him votes. Instead of seeing being swayed toward public opinion, he "sticks to his guns"... "

#1 Question wrote on Sep 20, 2006 5:54 PM:

" Why has Donald Rumsfeld not been fired? "

leonard wrote on Sep 20, 2006 5:47 PM:

" To add insult to injury, it seems that whatever advantage might be gained through these immoral programs is frittered away by the criminal incompetence of the chickenhawks in the Whitehouse. We have the best soldiers, the best equipment and the best trained officers in the world. All they need is a competent leader to guide them to Victory. "

Leonard wrote on Sep 20, 2006 3:29 PM:

" It is with real horror that I have read about the case of Mr. Arar, the innocent Canadian Engineer who was deported to Syria under the Administration's torture policy where he was subjected to extreme torture for over a year. In my opinion, people like Ajax, Skilos and the Dreaded Rear Admiral who support Axis of Incompetence are just as guilty of the crimes that were comitted against this innocent man as the President himself. Shame on you all! "

Leonard wrote on Sep 20, 2006 10:07 AM:

" Ajax: Read the report, it directly contradicts most of what you are saying. "

Leonard wrote on Sep 20, 2006 10:06 AM:

" Ajax: I am referring to the Congressional Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence on the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq which was released two weeks ago. "

Ajax wrote on Sep 19, 2006 6:38 PM:

" the murderer of Leon Klinghoffer, Abu Aabbas, whose real first name is Muhammed. "One of our key objectives is to search for, capture and drive out terrorists who have found safe haven in Iraq," Central Command said in a statement. Abbas was the general director of the Palestine Liberation Front, which the U.S. State Department has designated a terrorist organization. Saddam admits to having met with Al Quida numerous times. What particular Senate report are you citing Leonard? "

Ajax wrote on Sep 19, 2006 6:34 PM:

" Leonard, you wrote ( ) "The Republican led panel charged with invetigating the false pretenses used for invading Iraq has found conclusive evidence that far from supporting Al Queda, Iraq was trying to arrest key members as they passed through the country." What report and senators are you referring too? My understanding was the contrary--that Saddam had given some safe haven to Al Quida, allowed a camp near Mosul to operate and was negotiating with them. Of course Saddam had already given safe haven to the "

Ajax wrote on Sep 19, 2006 6:31 PM:

" Two people are currently denied entry ater alleged to be training with terrorists. In the other matters prosecuted locally, One was convicted (his conviction stands/has not ben overturned ( defense lawyer hasn't filed amotion for new trial (which is first step in appeal after a convviction)) the other, the ice cream vendor, admits to supporting radical islamicists and lying to the investigators. Two others previosly mentioned are being denied reentry after admiting that they attended a terrorist training camp in Pakistan. "

Leonard wrote on Sep 19, 2006 10:11 AM:

" Ajax: Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I never said anything about moral equivalency. What I did say is that the President's torture program is a stain on America's honor. I fully support McCain and the other Senators who are trying to put a stop to this shameful practice. "

Leonard wrote on Sep 19, 2006 10:08 AM:

" Ajax: In the recent Senate hearings, the adjucant generals of ALL FOUR branchs of the military voiced their opposition to the President's proposed torture program. Once again, the chickenhawks are forcing the military to go against its own better judgement. "

OTH wrote on Sep 19, 2006 9:46 AM:

" AJAX........Would you please explain your last 2 sentences of your post od 9/18 at 9:09 p.m.? What Arabic men (plural) do you speak of? Two went to trial and one sent to prison. And he may get a re-trial. When you talk of the Arabs, do you mean those from Saudi Arabi? The ones who in the beginning furnishe the largest number of suicide bombers? The ones the Bush family has been so cozy with for years? "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 19, 2006 9:46 AM:

" I do not condem the USA. In fact I am as patriotic as any American. And I also recognize that appeasement is not a solution. But war is the result of failed diplomacy. As the current Administration cannot even get our allies to support its efforts, what hope is there that general world opinion will support US efforts? With a well thought out foreign policy that engages States instead of dictating to them, the US would be in a much better position to guide world opinion instead of relying on the sword. "

Ajax wrote on Sep 18, 2006 9:17 PM:

" We, (the USA) are the good guys. Flawed maybe, but amazingly self correcting and with the consistent agenda of insuring that this world is a safer place for Americans and our allies. We are a government of the people. You arguments that illogically place our people on a moral footing with terrorist and radical islamic states, etc., do a tremedous disservice to those that serve and who have selflessly stood up to protect America. It really is a shame that you have a compulsive need to twist facts and condemn the USA. "

Ajax wrote on Sep 18, 2006 9:09 PM:

" But despite those developments you still somehow you thing illegally detention, etc, is nearly the moral equilent of wholesale slaughters, murders terrorism etc by muslem fanatics dedicated to western annihaliation and supported by governments and individuals from the Middleeast and in Arabic and Persian communities around the globe. Young Arabic men from this community attened terrorist training camps and then returned here. What purpose was that for? "

Ajax wrote on Sep 18, 2006 9:06 PM:

" Well Leonard, the system here worked slowly--Not the first time the SCT set the agenda. Some of the detainees will have trials and others will be afforded other POW rights. COL Swann formerly of Ft. Campbell, KY (101st Air Assault) now heads the Army prosecutors for military tribunals. The COL was a military judge and is an excellent jurist and a lawyer dedicated to the Constitution. The prisoners have lawyers, and are treated humanely. Misdeeds by our soldiers have been zealously prosecuted. "

Ajax wrote on Sep 18, 2006 6:40 PM:

" No really the point is that Iran is operating mercenary armies as terrorists against western targets as are some other Arabic states, and sypathetic individuals and expatriots. Individual americans and our allies are dying from the actions these Iranian and Arabic sponsored proxies. The bullets and bombs are bought by iranians and Arbaic people--then they kill americans. That simple. The idea that your going to appease these people with some appeasement is silly. It was silly before in the 30's and 40's and it's silly now "

OTH wrote on Sep 18, 2006 10:44 AM:

" Disgusted........Those were OUR dictators. They served a purpose for the United States and it "supposedly" was in our best interests to keep them in place. I heard no outcry from anyone to condemn them and their atrocities. Why is no one condemning what is happening in Africa, Darfur, Somalia? They have nothing to offer us like the oil in the Middle East. Consequently they are raped and slaughtered daily. AIDS is rampant. "

Leonard wrote on Sep 18, 2006 10:43 AM:

" The point that Ajax seems to miss is that we are supposed to be the good guys. We should be holding ourselves to a higher standard. If we end up being just marginally better than the terrorists then we have truely lost this conflict. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 18, 2006 9:36 AM:

" What I fail to understand is how we, as Americans who are supposed to stand up for Freedom, liberty, and Justice, are willing to forego those rights because of terrorists. All of the sudden the world isn't a safe place and so we want to give up our ideals because we think we'll be more safe. It's a very dangerous precident to set. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 18, 2006 8:26 AM:

" The problem with an us vs. them strategy is that it over simplifies the realities on the ground. There are terrorists in the world and they want to hurt people to gain their objectives. The question becomes, do we entrench ourselves, break up our individual freedoms and act out in ways not seen as "moral" in the general world community because there are people in the world that would do the same? I don't think so. We have to stand up and show the world what freedom and democracy means DESPITE getting the occasional bloody nose. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 18, 2006 8:21 AM:

" Ajax, my point is that people die because of foreign policies. Ours and other States, non-state actors etc. Since the end of the Cold War American foreign policy hasn't had a clear purpose and Americans have not had a firm grasp on what we're supposed to represent in the world. But now the current Administration has found a way to get Americans behind a policy formulated around the concept of them ("Islamofascists") vs. us (Western Democracies). At a conceptual and practical level this is much like the Cold War. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 18, 2006 8:17 AM:

" Ajax, how would you describe the policies toward Nicaragua in the 80's, many central african republics in the 60's and 70's, Iran in the 50's and 60's, etc. etc. etc. Did we pursue "moral" policies? No. We pursued policies designed to exert our power and influence in various regions throughout the world. Our policies now have nothing to do with morality so why would we try to say the Iranian stand is "immoral" and thus ours "morally correct"? "

Halla Hakbar wrote on Sep 18, 2006 7:30 AM:

" Religion of peace. Look at the response to the Pope's remarks this past week. Nuns murdered, churches burned, rioting, threats of murder and beheadings, insurrections, etc. Religion of Peace ? HaHa. I call it a religion of Piece...a piece of hand, a piece of arm, a piece of leg, anything they can chop off. "

Ajax wrote on Sep 17, 2006 9:56 PM:

" Amazing, lets see how is detention in a military prison and the CIA detentions the moral equivelent of murdering innocent people, operating and funding terrorism with the goal of killing civilians. So Iran in your view is the moral equivilent of our country, huh? We have our faults, certainly errors have been made in conducting this war by the present admisinistration, but Hamas, PLO, Hezzbollah and others who have received direct support if not control from Iran have murdered well over 4,500 americans. "

OTH wrote on Sep 16, 2006 10:16 AM:

" Disgusted......Than you for taking the emotions out of this and looking at it from a historical perspective. PBS had a program the other night about the last days of WWll in Germany, Greece and Italy. Some of the same things happened then as to the fighting that are happening now. Until we learn how to take the emotion and cruelty out of war this will not stop. There's very little chance of that happening. "

eek wrote on Sep 15, 2006 3:56 PM:

" Disgusted: again well said. I agree. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 15, 2006 12:12 PM:

" Ajax, sure Iran boasts of supporting Hezbullah. Sadly though, we boast of having secret prisions and attempting to undermine General Article III of the Geneva Conventions. If this is a war of civilizations and morals, clearly no one is winning. If we want to be a beacon of freedom, liberty, and justice then we need to stand up and actually live by those standards. I don't see us doing that at home or abroad and I can see why people question our intentions. That's why I blog. "

Ajax wrote on Sep 15, 2006 11:52 AM:

" Leonnard, your right it was Abu Aabbas, whose real first name is Muhammed. "One of our key objectives is to search for, capture and drive out terrorists who have found safe haven in Iraq," Central Command said in a statement. Abbas was the general director of the Palestine Liberation Front, which the U.S. State Department has designated a terrorist organization. Saddam admits to having met with Al Quida numerous times. What particular Senate report are you citing? "

Leonard wrote on Sep 15, 2006 11:09 AM:

" The man who killed Klinghoffer was a member of the PLO. Al Queda didn't even exist when the Achilles Lauro was hijacked. Get your facts straight. The Republican led panel charged with invetigating the false pretenses used for invading Iraq has found conclusive evidence that far from supporting Al Queda, Iraq was trying to arrest key members as they passed through the country. "

Leonard wrote on Sep 15, 2006 11:05 AM:

" Brian: I mention your supposed service as a Navy SEAL merely as a way of putting the credibility of your subsequent statements in the proper context. As for Osama having a bigger following than Hitler, I wonder where you got that figure. The Bush Administration maintains that only a small minority of Moslems support terrorism. Are you disputing that assertion? "

Leonard wrote on Sep 15, 2006 10:15 AM:

" Hmmm... who knows more about military detention and interrogation, decorated combat veteran Captain John McCain and General Colin Powell or chickenhawk George W Bush? "

Ajax wrote on Sep 14, 2006 10:09 PM:

" Maybe, digusted. Maybe there's hype by the current administration. But then agin look at the carnage from the islamic terrorists. Remember the murder of the wheelchair bound Leon Klighoffer? Wasn't his murderer part of Al-Quida and found in the safe haven of Iraq? Hmmm, maybe Saddam did give refuge to Al-Quida? Whatya think? Doesn't Iran sponsor terrorism? Frankly, they even boast of it. perhaps Iranian and islamic efforts to undermine by disinformation is having some success... "

Brian wrote on Sep 14, 2006 8:41 PM:

" Go ahead, call me a Navy Seal. I don't consider the comments you make about my posts constructive criticism. It's all about stirring the pot, isn't it. "

Brian wrote on Sep 14, 2006 8:41 PM:

" Leo, Your decison to take us on this journey citing other haneous acts on mankind is just fine with me. I don't know where you got the idea that I oppose Islamic terrorists just because their Muslim. I oppose all types of terror. We should really stick to the subject of a force never seen in the history of mankind that wishes to indoctrinate the whole world with their idealogy. OBL has a larger following than Hitler ever dreamed about. You continue to misconstrue (I think you do it intentionally) what I say. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 14, 2006 12:56 PM:

" In his book Nineteen-Eighty-Four, George Orwell talked.about.a.state of constant war ("war on terror") being used as one of many ways to distract people. War inspires fear and hate among the people of a nation, and gives them a 'legitimate' enemy upon whom they can focus this fear and hate. Thus the people are prevented from seeing that their true enemy is in fact their own repressive government. By this theory, war is another 'opiate of the masses' by which a state controls its people and facilitates the continuity of one political party. Sounds frightenly familar to our current situation. "

dude wrote on Sep 14, 2006 12:54 PM:

" lol Mr. Kahn doesn't have a clue. Maybe he should go back to the (mother land). At least that way we will not have to read or hear from him again. oh, one more thing. bye !! bye!! "

well wrote on Sep 14, 2006 12:50 PM:

" GO BRIAN GO BRIAN Its me not him! YEA! BRIAN "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 14, 2006 11:15 AM:

" Lets just call all of this for what it is. I'm not saying it right or wrong. What I'm saying is, understand the situation from an a-moral/historical/global perspective. It will better serve the interests of the citizens of the US to truely grasp the reality of the situation far more than having political hot air blown up our collective skirts ever will. Bush is drawing with black and white crayons when he should be able to play with the true shades of grey. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 14, 2006 11:11 AM:

" Besides lets look at this whole concept of a "War on Terror". War is a conflict involving the organized use of weapons and physical force by states. War is not a nebulous concept except in politics when it is used to motivate citizens (or hide things from them). Wars are not fought by terrorist organizations and wars cannot be fought with them. The US Congress can declare war. They have not declared war on "Terror". Frankly it's impossible. "

Leonard wrote on Sep 14, 2006 11:11 AM:

" Chuckle...it looks like Brian has returned to his practice of posting under multiple identities. Does this man know no shame? "

Leonard wrote on Sep 14, 2006 11:08 AM:

" Brian: The implicit message in your posts is that you oppose Islamic terrorists because they are Islamic not because they are terrorists. I would like to take this opportunity to condemn terrorists of all faiths and I call on you to (belatedly) do the same. "

Leonard wrote on Sep 14, 2006 11:06 AM:

" Brian the Navy SEAL: In answer to your question, the world is littered with Christian leaders whose barbarity rivals Osama's . How about Augusto Pinochet for starters? The Church backed him 110% when he was in power and he tortured and murdered thosands of inncoent people on the grounds that they were (allegedly) "godless communists". "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 14, 2006 10:48 AM:

" Ajax, Hezbullah is attempting to make the transition to polital power. They're the only effective government in the country and the citizens recognize that. By not officially recognizing that, the United States loses the ability to influence them in any way, thus leaving only one major influence. Iran. Frankly as long as the US chooses to pursue a "morality-based" foreign policy we will continue to be the victims of terrorism and will lose the hearts and minds of the world. "

well wrote on Sep 14, 2006 12:24 AM:

" GO BRIAN,Yea BRIAN I don't care if you are or not a seal!You Got support GO BRIAN! "

Ajax wrote on Sep 13, 2006 8:43 PM:

" Oh please digusted, Iran only acts through Hezzbollah because Lebanon is ineffective. What--no destabilizing outside government interfering in the interior operations of another country? Why not apply the same argument you make for the USA? Your selectivity betryas you. Iran seeks to install it's will and leadership in Lebabnon. It's a simple as that. Then they will have a another radical muslim state. Until then Hezzbollah is attempting to make the transition like the PLO. But a scorpian will always be a "

Brian wrote on Sep 13, 2006 8:32 PM:

" What this has to do with what decifers one terrorists group from another, It's really irrelevant. So, in so many words, you're saying it's not important to know your killer? We'll just lump them all together? Slandering your faith in the way you do makes me wonder if you know what the difference is. In this case you don't. Find me a Christian leader who is revered by the people of his faith because he committs atrocities on the same scale as OBL. "

Brian wrote on Sep 13, 2006 8:31 PM:

" Leo, your decison to imply that the victim of a terrorist act is no less dead or injured because a terrorist is a terrorist is quite an ignorant reply to the fact that you know there are a multitude more Islamic terrorists groups than there are Christian terrorists groups. We're talking massive world events perpetrated by the Islamic terrorists. You can't equate isolated incidents to a global threat. An injury from an AK47 inflicted by either of these groups on a person or persons perhaps would have the same outcome. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 13, 2006 7:58 PM:

" As to allowing a "safe haven" for terrorists, no. We should pursue the best foreign policies which deminish the desires of other state and non-state actors to lash out against us and our interests. But recognize that military force and covert manipulation (political OR economic) is not the only way of achieving that end. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 13, 2006 7:56 PM:

" On the issue of the Taliban, that is a moral decision. If we as a State are willing to risk our lives and fortunes to force change in another State and attempt to impose our moral structure, then we have to be willing to recognize that there will be resistance to our efforts both here and abroad. That we made that choice is ok with me, but trying to say that their resistance is unjustified is a misplaced judgement. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 13, 2006 7:54 PM:

" Ajax, not quite. wide-spread inclusion in the state decision-making process and free trade have historically been shown to produce a more stable society. However that isn't always the case. The Weimar Republic period of Germany is one situtation where a VERY democratic society did not flourish (and that was in a country with a tradition of liberal thought). "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 13, 2006 4:55 PM:

" Ajax, not to be short but Iran only acts through Hezbullah because Lebanon can't control their own state. If they could, Hezbullah wouldn't be there or would have been co-opted into the political system. "

Leonard wrote on Sep 13, 2006 4:24 PM:

" Brian: As a supposed Navy SEAL, you of all people ought to know that a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. It makes little difference to the victim, as they lie bleeding to death whether the person who set off the bomb was a Islamic insurgent or a Operation Rescue lunatic. "

Leonard wrote on Sep 13, 2006 4:21 PM:

" Ajax: Perhaps I spoke to soon. Should I then assume that you disagree with all the posters on these blogs who have called for all American Moslems to apologize for the actions of Islamic Terrorists? "

Ajax wrote on Sep 13, 2006 2:48 PM:

" Digusted, does democracy and free trade between countries create peace and stability in the long run? How has the US created instabilty worse than what was already in plcace. The Taliband? Should we sit by while a genocide is conducted in Afganistan by those facists? Should we allow any region to be a safe haven for terrorists to attack us or our allies? These state, who you allege aren't able to suppress a non-state actor are in fact operating through those terrorist proxies. Iran admits to the Hezzbollah, etc. "

Ajax wrote on Sep 13, 2006 2:42 PM:

" The terrorists conducted this Jihad from before 1979. The US had a limited presence in the middle east from 79 to 91. The instabilty in the middle east is systemic to the social dynamic of the region, e.g., because these people live in tribes run by Shieks, etc. The jihadist movements are a grab for power using street thugs to academics as soldiers within these societies and simultaneouly they are a facist movement with goals of elimination of the Jewish state, regional consolidation and world domination. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 13, 2006 11:19 AM:

" As long as the United States is willing to create instability in the world (Iraq/Afganistan currently) then it has to recognize that the States effected by US action are no longer in control. Thus, non-state actors will attempt to gain power through any means available to them (terrorism). This is because the States aren't stable or strong enough to suppress the non-state actor. The religious motivation of the terrorism we face doesn't change the nature of it nor does it change the solution to it. This is not appeasement. This is realpolitik. Recognize the difference. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 13, 2006 9:26 AM:

" Brian, how can you NOT compare domestic and international terrorism? Isn't terrorism by its very nature the same no matter the motivation? Or is it because a "Christian" blew up an building that it is different? Please give me a reason to think that terrorism has differences based upon (nationality, motivation, etc. etc.) "

Brian wrote on Sep 12, 2006 8:38 PM:

" Leonard, you continue to refer back to the actions of the IRA and abortion clinic bombers like somehow they are in the same league as Islamic terrorists. You of all people should know that Isalmic terrorism is not an isolated problem and that you can't equate these at all. The fact that many of the mosques here in the U.S. preach jihad and radical Islam and that the Muslems attending theses mosques are well aware what the imams preach. Has Richard Macintyre gotten to you, Leonard? You know appeasement won't save your head from the chopping block. "

Stop the Whining wrote on Sep 12, 2006 8:18 PM:

" My ancestors came to this country 100 years ago to escape genocide by Muslim fanatics. In 1900, any male child in Muslim invaded countries were killed because they weren't Muslims. We immigrated to America and fell in love with apple pie and the American way of freedom. No more sultans and their killers. If you really want freedom as you say you do, why not encourage the Pakistani-American women here in Lodi to shop in our stores, drive cars, go to college, and become independent. I think that you fear losing control of them. What do you say? "

Ajax wrote on Sep 12, 2006 5:10 PM:

" the respect for individual rights, equal protection of laws and trading stability. It's not perfect, but our universities have been open to middle eastern students for decades and we have exported a wealth of knowledge to the middle east which should have fostered more stabilty. The problem is the social strcuture of these countries inhibits the distribution of power to individuals in democracies. The advantage of democracy is that the individual human can more fully develop and participate in society. "

Ajax wrote on Sep 12, 2006 5:06 PM:

" The turn of the century colonials did not disrupt the arabic or Persian practice of Islam any more than the Ottomans --who were not as benigh as you are depicting, but I would agree that they were more enlightened than the areas they goverened. Your other points are well taken. I don't think the Ottomans economic use of the middle east differed with the early colonial powers (save the use of oil). I think our post cold war efforts have shifted to the development of democracies--which brings "

Ajax wrote on Sep 12, 2006 4:59 PM:

" Leonard--you make alot of silly off the hip assumptions! Assuming I fit your profile, then I would say that I made sure that I didn't contribute to groups that funneled money to people you trained the likes of Eric Rudolph. When the FBI came calling--or if I knew of terrorists, I would (assuming your profile again) call the FBI with the information. If I suspected that a member of my church was a terrorist--I would report my suspecion. I would not attend services where violence was preached as a religious call of duty. "

Skilos wrote on Sep 12, 2006 4:55 PM:

" Correction Disgusted; When the Turks (Ottoman Empire) overran Constantinople in 1453 it not only ended the Byzantine Empire it also abolished Christian Worship in public. Greeks were encouraged by the American Revolution and overcame their oppressors on March 25, 1835, which also restored Christian worship in public. To this day in Istanbul (formally Constantinople) Greeks are 3rd class citizens. "

Weezer wrote on Sep 12, 2006 3:03 PM:

" Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely... it applies not only to America but to all despots, past and present. There's Libya's Khadaffi, Syria's Assad, etc. They'll cling on to their positions like Indonesia's Sukarno and Suharto, the Philippines' Marcos, even the PLO's Arafat. "

Weezer wrote on Sep 12, 2006 3:00 PM:

" Can't disagree with Taj Khan this time. This has to be his most balanced op-ed in a long while. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 12, 2006 1:09 PM:

" The Ottomans were also different in that they had a primary focus on social stability and administration while the European colonial powers were primarily focused on mercantilism and the exploitation of the local economy. Very different guidelines. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 12, 2006 10:32 AM:

" Who are we to demand democracy for those regions? Would it not behoove the United States to respect the power-structures in place? By doing so, it would allow the state actors (be they dictators or parliments) to dominate the power structure instead of the non-state actors( terrorists/warlords). But God-forbid we should actually consider staying out of other countries business and treat them as equals. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 12, 2006 10:29 AM:

" The colonial powers (US included) have continued to intervene in the region and attempted to change the power structures to fit their needs. Again, I would point to Sadam Hussein or the Shah of Iran as primary examples. The problem is that technology has advanced to the point where non-state actors (including those supported by states) are able to cause devestation that whole armies couldn't inflict 200 years ago. Because we've manipulated their state-system, the underlying unifier of the region (religion) has become a major factor. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 12, 2006 10:25 AM:

" Ajax, yes the Ottomans were a different type of imperial power. First their primary faith was the same as the dominant one in the region (Islam). Second, they generally respected other faiths as part of their Empire throught the creation of Millets. Thus the Greek Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarchate was not disbanded but continued under the laws of Justianian as it had for 900 years. The same basic structure was also in place for the Ottoman Jewish community. "

Leonard wrote on Sep 12, 2006 10:17 AM:

" Ajax: I wonder what you, as a christian, did in the 1970's and 1980's to personally stop christian (IRA) terrorism? What did you do in the 1990's to stop christian (abortion clinic bombers) terrorism? I'm guessing not a whole hell of a lot which leads me to view your calls for Moslem action with considerable skepticism. The fact is that non terrorist Moslems are no more responsible for the acts of terrorists than you, as a christian, are responsible for the acts of Eric Rudolph. "

Skilos wrote on Sep 11, 2006 7:35 PM:

" A Great democrat president once said ask not what your country can do for you, rather ask what can you do for your country. It would behoove Muslims to stand up and produce fruits from their own labor. Blaming others and demanding change & progress is not satisfying. "

Ajax wrote on Sep 11, 2006 4:45 PM:

" to Al-Quida, Hamas, the Hezzbollah among others. In short, too many of the people of this area of the world do too little to help combat terrorism against the west and Israel. The expatriots of these countries that live in the US do far too little in insuring social integration of thier progeny within our society and continue to have sons and brothers who train for war and returned to this area and the U.S. for what purpose? It ain't a round of golf is it! Never forget. "

Ajax wrote on Sep 11, 2006 4:33 PM:

" are more organized as totalitarian regimes. As in Lybia and the Sudan. Expecting these countries to become democracies will require a basic respect for non-muslim rights that none of these places has EVER relaibly and consistently demonstrated over a generation. These counties now tacitly (continue) to support the subrogation of women, slave trade (especially Sudan), and too many of the people of these regions actively suport terrorists with financial support to alleged charities that funnel money "

Ajax wrote on Sep 11, 2006 4:26 PM:

" And the Ottomans were a different type of imperial power? The colonial powers (France, GB, etc) left the middle east over 50 years ago in a transition that took 50 years. Applying the colonial power formula to today's action/war does not fit. The reality of these arab countires is that they operate in tribes, even in the more developed areas. Shieks are nothing more than non-elected lords over loose family affiaitions. Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arbia have governments built on this feudal system of affialtion. Syria and Egypt "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 11, 2006 1:17 PM:

" 12x, further to the point, the Colonial powers and Cold War Superpowers were using the region for their own purposes instead of looking to the good of the regions in question. This is traditional power politics as practiced since before the inception of the US. The US wasn't the only one. The Soviet Union did many of the same things. So it isn't that the US hasn't sympathized with "Muslims", it's just that the US didn't care about the faith and focused on the politics of power. "

Disgusted wrote on Sep 11, 2006 1:13 PM:

" 12x, the United States has caused problems in the greater Middle East in a variety of ways. The first that comes to mind is the manipulation of governments during the Cold War. Instead of promoting democracy and economically viable states, the US government focused instead on power structures in the region. This warped the social development of the region and thus effected the Muslim population. The Shah of Iran or Sadam Hussein are examples. "

12x wrote on Sep 11, 2006 9:55 AM:

" I'd like for Kahn to further elaborate on how the USA has caused problems for the Muslims. He blames the USA but states nothing further. If I wanted to practice Christianity in the middle east, I'd be beheaded, yet in our country everyone has the freedom to worship as they choose, or not at all. A country founded on Christian ideals is blessed by God (for now) and prospers. Countries controlled by false "religions" continue to flounder. "

Good read wrote on Sep 11, 2006 9:05 AM:

" This was Taj Khan`s best column to date. The Muslim world is indeed doomed to forever living in the 16th century if they do not get their heads out of the sand. You just can`t get much done when you spend all day on your knees. "

Brian has all the answers from talk radio. wrote on Sep 11, 2006 8:30 AM:

" hate mongering does not solve anything Brian.You do nothing but parrot what you here on right wing radio.I know this because i listen to it often for a good laugh.Good read Taj. "

Americas problem? wrote on Sep 11, 2006 8:21 AM:

" Power corrupts, absolute power corripts absolutly. "

Brian wrote on Sep 10, 2006 10:30 AM:

" The political and economic progress is stymied because many Islamic leaders want their cake and eat it too. You can't blend totalitarianism with democracy. Expecting different results using the same methods is the definition of stupidity. "

Brian wrote on Sep 10, 2006 10:23 AM:

" As long as Muslims believe they need to pray five times a day and that their God will take care of all their problems this downward spiral, Taj Khan speaks of, will continue. These Muslims he speaks of may want change. However, the Persian empire is gone and the best system of government has proven to work time and time again. I speak of democracy. "

Brian wrote on Sep 10, 2006 10:02 AM:

" Taj Khan's ability to give historic references that somehow all the problems Islam has is because of old colonial powers is just another way of justifying that Islam is correct at pointing the finger at others. Lodi (Baghdad) Bob again excuses the actions of terrorists because he won't admit that radical Muslims shouldn't be held accountable for actions because it's the actions of others that have created them. The Persions have tried with futility for hundreds of years to be what they once were. As so with the fall of Rome, so too has Persia fallen. Wake up Taj. "

Skilos wrote on Sep 10, 2006 9:37 AM:

" Mr Kahn; today is the last day of the Greek Festival, each year it is widely attended as the whole community shares in the Greek culture. I look forward someday in attending a Pakistani event that all people in the community will have an opportunity to better know your culture. "

Skilos wrote on Sep 10, 2006 9:19 AM:

" If Iraq is successful in becoming a democracy (something the Iraqi people really want), they and Afghanistan would be good for the region as they would create products for world trade and a middle class would evolve. Consider the vast differences between North and South Korea and East and West Germany during the cold war. It would behoove any country if the religious leaders tend to matters of religion and secular leaders tend to matters of the state. "

Ajaz Ali Khan wrote on Sep 9, 2006 5:21 PM:

" salam.. does the name ring any bells....? i respect what u are doing for the muslim community there and its nice to see u have so much knowledge about the muslim world. the world may or may not understand muslims but you sure are keeping our hopes high.. bye "

I Guess If Demanding Doesn't Work... wrote on Sep 9, 2006 3:39 PM:

" Muslims will simply strike out on innocent people as they have for hundreds is not thousands of years! It does not surprise me that this writer from the LNS is inspiring local muslims to began demanding! "

An Infidel wrote on Sep 9, 2006 2:24 PM:

" What is your point? Where do you want change and progress? In Asia or the United States? In Asia, you have the time to spend most of the day in prayer. The US economy is based on productivity. The obsession with anything, gambling, drugs, or religion, is just that - "an obsession". What is the REAL value in computerized prayer clocks and Burqwaa's to the 21st century and to free women? Control of others, and subjugation. In the U.S. we have not only freedom of religion, but freedom FROM religion. I DON'T CARE about Muslim fantasies of "afterlife". "

wtf wrote on Sep 9, 2006 10:50 AM:

" Here's a fun thought: If FOX and CNN had been around as the MSM mouthpieces back in the 1700s, our Founding Fathers in the US, the ones many Americans rever, would have been labeled "terrorists" and "insurgents" - think about it. "

wtf wrote on Sep 9, 2006 10:30 AM:

" Too many people have forgotten the roots of the US - so before we go mucking about in someone else's country and trying to change their forms of government, perhaps we should clean our house here at home first. http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/ "

wtf wrote on Sep 9, 2006 10:29 AM:

" D. Hess suggests in his letter to the Editor to "read the Constitution" - while people are at it, they should also read The Declaration of Independence (the document I was quoting from). It's really an eye opener and could be used in the ME as well as here in the US. "

wtf wrote on Sep 9, 2006 10:25 AM:

" "...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government..." "

wtf wrote on Sep 9, 2006 10:24 AM:

" "..., a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..." "

wtf wrote on Sep 9, 2006 10:23 AM:

" Here's something to think about - both in the ME and US: "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..." "

wtf wrote on Sep 9, 2006 9:42 AM:

" "People of these nations have to rise up and demand change, without which this downward spiral will continue." Unfortunately, this is not only true of the Middle East, but of what is happening here in the U.S. as well. "

wtf wrote on Sep 9, 2006 9:41 AM:

" You wrote, "The void between the corrupt leaders and the needs of the people is filled by people like Osama bin Ladin who capitalize on the frustration of the people and in the cloak of religion take them on journey which does not fit into the modern day world politics, their own culture, or faith." "

wtf wrote on Sep 9, 2006 9:41 AM:

" Excellent article, Mr. Khan! As Winston Churchill once said, "The farther backward you can look, the farther forward you can see." It also allows one to pretty much gauge where things are in the present. "

Skilos wrote on Sep 9, 2006 8:52 AM:

" This letter reflects an overview of the problems many oppressed Muslims are compelled to live under. Good letter Mr. Kahn. "

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