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Demonstrators walk along Church Street today as they march to City Hall. The group of about 200 made its way from Kettleman Lane to City Hall to protest proposed changes to federal immigration law. (Jennifer M. Howell/News-Sentinel)

Almost 200 rally in Lodi to protest proposed immigration changes

By Andrew Adams
News-Sentinel Staff Writer
Updated: Monday, April 10, 2006 5:16 PM PDT

Close to 200 people marched from Kettleman Lane to City Hall today as thousands of others also protested immigration issues nationwide.

The Lodi protesters, nearly all Hispanic, held signs as well as U.S. and Mexican Flags. Many of those marching were teenagers or younger children and had skipped school to be part of the protest.

Lodi's small rally took place while marches and other protests were held in cities across the nation as part of a solidarity movement to oppose changes to federal immigration law.

Those on the Lodi City Hall steps today said they had turned out to oppose any laws that would make their illegal immigrant friends and family criminals.

Jennifer Hernandez, 14, said her parents are illegal immigrants who shouldn't be vilified because they're trying to improve themselves by working in the United States.

"All we came here for is a better life and money," she said.

The crowd often broke into a chant of "si sepude," or "we can do it," and protesters also chanted "Mexico." When a few of those at the rally tried to raise a cheer of "USA," they didn't get much of a response and it quickly quieted.

Marchers left the Mervyn's parking at early today, arriving at City Hall just after 9 a.m. Protesters said students organized the event with their families.

"We were text messaging, calling each other about it," said Esther Nava, 17. She said those at the rally love their adopted country and work hard to improve themselves and the nation.

Nava said immigrants shouldn't be treated as second-class people just because they do jobs that many people won't.

"We want to make sure everybody is treated equally," she said.


Ricardo Alvara of Lodi waves an American flag as about 200 people gather on the steps of City Hall today to protest proposed changes to federal immigration law. (Jennifer M. Howell/News-Sentinel)

As people nearby waved Mexican flags, Nava said people who criticize the protesters because they wave Mexican flags don't understand their message.

"I think that's really mean," she said, adding it's immigrants who do the hard work to help the country.

The protest was peaceful, and there were no reports of traffic disturbances, Lodi Police Lt. Bill Barry said. Officers told the protesters to stay on sidewalks and avoid obstructing traffic, and they seemed to be complying, Barry said.

Ana Gutierrez, 18, said she would like to see the federal government grant illegal immigrants the right to work in the country.

"It's not fair the United States wants them to be criminals," she said.

Laura Rodriquez attended the rally with her family and said some of the new, stringent proposals for immigration law reform is almost hypocritical.

"How can a nation of immigrants be against immigration?" she asked.

Contact reporter Andrew Adams at andrewa@lodinews.com.

First published: Monday, April 10, 2006

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JSK wrote on Apr 20, 2006 9:20 AM:

" I think that the spanish should be allowed into the united states, but I agree that if they are Illegal, than they shouldn't be allowed. "

racer72 wrote on Apr 19, 2006 6:35 PM:

" It's wrong to waive the Mexican Flag and chant Mexico. If Mexico is so great, then why did they leave it? I proud of my Mexican Heritage but I'm American above all. This county as fed me, educated me, given me a career and a home. I'm proud of it. "

Racer72 wrote on Apr 19, 2006 6:29 PM:

" I am Hispanic (Mexican American) and I think it's extreme to make it a felony for illegal immigrants to be here in the US, but I think making illegal immigrants instantly legal is a slap in the face to resident aliens that went the correct legal processes. "

Latina Soldier wrote on Apr 17, 2006 10:34 PM:

" I'm proud of all the Hispanic kids showin courage and support! Good Job! Wish I was out there with all of ya! "

JJ wrote on Apr 17, 2006 6:05 PM:

" Why are only the mexicans protesting? There are many other nationalities that do the same kind of work they do. I don't hear them protesting. Maybe because they are here legally?? "

leonard wrote on Apr 17, 2006 6:44 AM:

" Well,if the inability to place California's admission into the Union within 15 years constitutes "well aware" then I suppose you are right.Nonetheless, the your lack of familiarity with facts that are drilled into any California 4th grader marks you as a non native and(given your claims to the contrary)an imposter. "

Skilos wrote on Apr 16, 2006 8:51 PM:

" Leonard.....attempting any communication with you is fool hearted. I am quite aware of the history of California. "

JK wrote on Apr 16, 2006 8:22 PM:

" Great work kids. We all have a voice in America. We all have a right to be here. Call, write email your government officials and let them know that in California Mexicans are the majority and will not vote for anyone who supports harming migrant farm worker families. "

JK wrote on Apr 16, 2006 8:16 PM:

" More power to the people!!!!!! If Cesar Chavez were still alive, he would do something about it. He would not stand for this to happen. Unite the Americas, don't separate them. "

JK wrote on Apr 16, 2006 8:13 PM:

" It would be terrible to build an 800 mile wall. It would be like the Berlin Wall. The Mexicans were here in California first. Many Mexican and Central and South American people might be permanently separated from their families. This would not be a good idea. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 16, 2006 2:51 PM:

" SKILOS: What I said was that, given your ignorance of basic California history, it seemed obvious that you were not raised in California, where California history is taught in every 4th grade class. Where were you brought up? "

Skilos wrote on Apr 16, 2006 2:33 PM:

" hmmmmm, I don't remember anyone asking me where I am from, I'm from Lodi! "

Just me wrote on Apr 16, 2006 11:40 AM:

" He's probably looking on the world map to come up with something good. LOL! "

Leonard wrote on Apr 15, 2006 6:24 PM:

" I wonder why Skilos disappeared the minute I asked him where he was from. "

Dockter wrote on Apr 15, 2006 1:45 PM:

" To Hernandez. You are part of a labor force that does a job your told to do! The builder has a lifetme invested in this business and inspects your poor craftsmanship must make the proper repairs to turn out a high quality product should receive the credit not you. "

Barney Miller wrote on Apr 14, 2006 8:15 PM:

" The American Nazi Party suupports making illegal immigration a felony. "

Jose wrote on Apr 14, 2006 4:14 PM:

" Antonio, we support immigrants, BUT NOT ILLEGAL aliens. Get legal or get out! "

Antonio wrote on Apr 14, 2006 3:33 PM:

" And by the way if you dont support immigrants then dont go to the grape festival or assparagus festival because immigrant worn on it.they are not criminals they only brike the law once sow they could have a better future for their kids and they are not terrorist. "

Antonio wrote on Apr 14, 2006 3:27 PM:

" I got to say that all Illegal immigrants are not only hispanic they are Asians and Europeans. and immigrants do pay tax i see it they should be getting money back if they do there taxes. Dont call your self Americans because america is from Agerntina to Canada. "

who cares bout my name wrote on Apr 14, 2006 12:42 PM:

" you claim you are american...right! well Then i claim i am mexican... so what's the big deal. Everyone came from a different country. oh and for god's sake aren't we all his children even if some of us have different religion!!! "

Me wrote on Apr 13, 2006 10:20 PM:

" I guess I should start demanding to be called an Italian-Native American-French-Irish American just so I can fit in, right? How frikkin stupid does that sound, I mean REALLY? "

Me wrote on Apr 13, 2006 10:17 PM:

" 200 out of 70,000 protesting. I'd say that's a definitive MINORITY. LMAo! "

Barney Miller wrote on Apr 13, 2006 8:02 PM:

" The Ku Klux Klan apparently suupports making illegal immigration a felony. "

oh really? wrote on Apr 13, 2006 7:28 PM:

" Quit thinking its a race issue, it is not. The only racists I see are the ones saying "let them come illegally, heaven forbid I have to pay employees a REAL wage!" "

oh really? wrote on Apr 13, 2006 7:28 PM:

" Oh, and we're building our own house. Want it done right? Gotta do it yourself. "

oh really? wrote on Apr 13, 2006 7:27 PM:

" Perhaps it is rare, but it does happen. I had to put myself through college somehow. All of my friends did. "

oh really? wrote on Apr 13, 2006 7:26 PM:

" As for jobs that I will not take, I'm sure you don't know what you are talking about. I did in fact take a job in a fruit shed. People of all nationalities worked there. "

oh really? wrote on Apr 13, 2006 7:25 PM:

" I wish I had someone making my food for me. That would be nice. Alas, it will not happen. I must make my own. "

Hernandez wrote on Apr 13, 2006 5:22 PM:

" Americans have to realized that with out Mexicans the USA whould be nothing, because we bild there houses we make there food and we take jobs that they dont whant so we are helping the economy we are not breaking the laws by protesting we just whant rights "

ra wrote on Apr 13, 2006 1:35 PM:

" M-A. Once again, it isn't a Mexican thing, it's an illegal thing. Russian, Pakistani, European, whatever. It's not good for the safety and quality of life for ALL here in this country. That said, I appreciate your refocus to Good Friday and Easter. God Bless You. "

Mexican - American wrote on Apr 13, 2006 1:23 PM:

" think about it is this really who we are as Americans this is the biggest Holy day in the world, and here we sit complaining about illegal citizens, for one day (Friday) forget about this mess and thank the man upstairs for what you have not what you want "

Mexican - American wrote on Apr 13, 2006 1:18 PM:

" Isn't it funny how we have 200 plus comments on this topic about illegal immigrants, and then I go into the article about Good Friday (Viernes Santo) and there is not one comment on thanking our Lord for what he has given us (life, our family, our kids) "

Mexican-American wrote on Apr 13, 2006 1:04 PM:

" It's funny how quickly we can forget a devastating trajedy, 9-11 it was a wake up call to America we all need to stand tall TOGETHER white, black, brown, don't let those incocent people's souls die in vein.. How beatiful America stood tall united as one... "

UNITED wrote on Apr 13, 2006 1:03 PM:

" I agree...most Mexican-americans are united especially now. "

Mexican - American wrote on Apr 13, 2006 1:00 PM:

" Do you know how the word Chicano came about.. I preffer to be called Mexican-American, Chicano is used more in a slang term, let's educate our people, let's overcome in a suffisticated manner, let's be honest America needs Mexicans, just like Mexicans need America. "

SCHOOL YOU IN HISTORY wrote on Apr 13, 2006 12:44 PM:

" Mexican Americans established Chicano as a term of ethnic pride, and it is properly written today with a capital.•While Chicano is a term of pride for many Mexican Americans, it remains a word with strong political associations "

SCHOOL YOU ON HISTORY wrote on Apr 13, 2006 12:42 PM:

" I am Mexican_American considered to be a "Chicano" Chicano is used only of Mexican Americans, not of Mexicans living in Mexico. It was originally an informal term in English (as in Spanish) "

SCHOOL YOU ON HISTORY wrote on Apr 13, 2006 12:39 PM:

" During the outset of the Mexican-American War (1846-1848)is when US stole california, nevada, new mexico, colorado. My great great grandfather was a californio born and raise in california when it was a part of mexico "

SCHOOL YOU ON SOME HISTORY wrote on Apr 13, 2006 12:36 PM:

" TO SKILOS: spain owned the TERRIROTY KNOWN AS "california" during the late 1700s before it became part of Mexico after the Mexican War of Independence (1810-21). During the outset of the Mexican-American War (1846-1848), "

ra wrote on Apr 13, 2006 11:38 AM:

" The point as most opposed to illegal immigration see it. Read it, live it, love it, pass it on. http://www.newswithviews.com/Bresnahan/david6.htm "

Leonard wrote on Apr 13, 2006 10:33 AM:

" SKILOS: There is an ongoing PERMANENT discussion of this topic on the LNS forum at http://www.lodinews.com/shared-content/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=46 You are certainly welcome to join in. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 13, 2006 10:31 AM:

" SKILOS: If that is the case, then I have to say that you are flat out wrong. BTW, I notice that you have not answered my question. Your ignorance of basic California history makes it clear that you are not a native Californian. Where were you born? "

Leonard wrote on Apr 13, 2006 10:29 AM:

" SKILOS: So, it is your contention that California was not a part of Mexico from 1821 to 1847, that it was not ruled by a Mexican governor and it was not occupied by Mexican Army garrisons? "

Skilos wrote on Apr 13, 2006 9:31 AM:

" The facts I spoke of are accurate, off the top of mind I mis-quoted a date by a few years and Leonard (an obvious apologist for law breaking) jumped in to be critical of my post. "

I wrote on Apr 13, 2006 9:07 AM:

" How old are you? With the way you spell, it seems like you should be in school yourself. Your grammar shows signs of a very young, uneducated person. Hope your mom knows what you've been up to! "

Some? wrote on Apr 13, 2006 8:50 AM:

" why are there many student gettin out of sko? what they should be doin is sending letters 2 the presiden 2 make them now that Mexcans really want 2 be here; 2 ger better. Protesting doesn't help, in jus makes others think that they dont care about school! "

Leonard wrote on Apr 13, 2006 7:30 AM:

" IMO: I wasn't trying to be topical, I was just responding to the misinformation that Skilos was churning out down thread. It does appear, however, that he was trying to make some sort of point by distorting the historical facts to suit his position. "

IMO wrote on Apr 13, 2006 7:06 AM:

" interesting. but, how do you figure that factors in todays issue? live in the present, not the past. whether it was what it was or not. it is what it is today. illegal means, illegal. french, asian, or mexican, origin is irrelevant. without law, there's chaos. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 13, 2006 3:45 AM:

" SKILOS: The fact is, however, that your facts are simply wrong. There were many Mexicans of European descent in California previous to the US invasion. Ranchers like Vallejo and Castro ran huge farms throughout Northern California. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 13, 2006 3:40 AM:

" SKILOS: If the people of California were "Native Americans" instead of "Mexicans" then the same must be true of the current illegals, most of whom are at least Mestizo and many of whom are full blooded Indians. "

Native Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2006 11:17 PM:

" Americans open their arms to people like ES and her family. However the arrogance of the mob in L.A. and the students in Lodi do not help her cause. "

To ES wrote on Apr 12, 2006 11:07 PM:

" When you march or protest, if you get a chance you should tell, how your families life was in Mexico. You should tell how sometimes your child was crying for food and there wasn't any. I think it might make a difference. Take care, ES. "

To ES wrote on Apr 12, 2006 11:02 PM:

" I hope since you have been in America, that things have been a little easier for you and your children. "

To ES wrote on Apr 12, 2006 11:00 PM:

" I hope that you come here and read these comments that I have posted to you. You have asked God to Bless Us. I also ask God to Bless You and your children. "

To ES wrote on Apr 12, 2006 10:56 PM:

" You ask that we not be mad at you. I am not mad at you for trying to protect your children. No child should go hungry in this world! Now that should be ILLEGAL!!!! "

To ES wrote on Apr 12, 2006 10:53 PM:

" ES, We are both of the same race, the human race. True we come from other cultures, we both have something in common, we are mothers, and we would do anything to feed our children, even if that meant taking a risk of crossing a border to find work. "

Hello ES wrote on Apr 12, 2006 10:50 PM:

" ES, your comments are the ones that have made more sense to me, here. I am an American woman and mother. I have not been so unlucky as to have my children cry because there was no food. I am sorry that has happened to your children. "

Skilos wrote on Apr 12, 2006 10:39 PM:

" The people living in California at that time were American Indians, Leonard you are reading revisionist history. I have read some of your other posts and you are a master at deception, you move people away from the subject matter at hand. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:58 PM:

" Skilos: Since students in California are taught California history in the 4th grade, I am assuming that you are not, in fact, a native Californian. Where were you born? "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:56 PM:

" Skilos: The Mexicans didn't have to occupy California because it was a Mexican province! It had a Mexican Governor. The capital was at Monterey.The Presidio in San Francisco was a Mexican military base.The Pueblo of Los Angeles was a Mexican city. Look it up. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:53 PM:

" SKILOS: Yes, you seem to be mistaken about a great many things. During the time between Mexican Independece and the end of the Mexican American war, all of the people who were native to California were Mexican BECAUSE CALIFORNIA WAS PART OF MEXICO. "

Skilos wrote on Apr 12, 2006 4:49 PM:

" A person born within the territorial limits of the United States of America is automatically a legal citizen regardless of the parents citizenship. "

Skilos wrote on Apr 12, 2006 4:47 PM:

" To Xecana, people can only speculate as to what the bill will include but I do not think that law abiding families will be split up. However it is always best to work towards becoming a U.S. Citizen. "

xicana wrote on Apr 12, 2006 4:36 PM:

" those saying that the bill only affects undocumented people and documented people aren't , then think about this, say you are a couple and have been here "illegally" for 15 years you now have children who were born here, would this law will affect them? "

Skilos wrote on Apr 12, 2006 2:39 PM:

" Americans occupied California long before 1848, Mexico never ever occupied California. "

Skilos wrote on Apr 12, 2006 2:36 PM:

" I may have made a mistake as to the year, I just remember it was prior to our civil war. During that time there was less than 1,000 Mexicans in the entire southwest. "

Skilos wrote on Apr 12, 2006 2:33 PM:

" Exactly Leonard and Spain is not Mexico. In fact during the Los Angeles protest many signs said Europeans do not belong here and Spain the last time I checked was in Europe. By the way, France at one time claimed this coast. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 2:25 PM:

" Before 1821, California was part of Spain. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 2:25 PM:

" SKILOS: You are joking, right? Read some history. To start with, the Mexican American war was in the late 1840s, not the 1830s California became a part of the US in 1848 but between Mexican Independence (1821) and 1848, it was part of Mexico. "

Skilos wrote on Apr 12, 2006 2:20 PM:

" Leornard, to rationalize why we should not enforce our sovereign laws made pursuant to the U.S. Consititution is pure insanity, even stupid. Long live America! "

Skilos wrote on Apr 12, 2006 2:17 PM:

" The United States responded and though outnumbered by the Mexicans by 4 to 1 they drove the Mexicans back all the way to Mexico City and raised the American flag over it. We not only gave them their land back but money as well "

Skilos wrote on Apr 12, 2006 2:14 PM:

" California has never been part of Mexico, who ever started that lie? As a matter of fact in the 1830's Santa Anna declared war on the United States, he crossed into our land and killed Americans. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 2:06 PM:

" Skilos, have you stopped and thought about what will happen to inflation if we replace the illegals with American workers? "

Skilos wrote on Apr 12, 2006 2:06 PM:

" America, if it is to remain a sovereign nation must begin practicing tough love. The existing laws must be enforced beginning now! "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 2:06 PM:

" I should also specify, since a couple of people asked, that I am white (with a bit of Cherokee) and my European ancestors have been in this country between 100 and 350 years. That is about all the personal info that I am willing to post on the internet. "

Skilos wrote on Apr 12, 2006 2:05 PM:

" Those who have entered our country illegally have stretched our infrastructure to the breaking point, ER rooms have been closed, our school system is over crowded, prisions are over flowing, welfare is strained, etc. etc. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 1:58 PM:

" Well, since you are so darn curious, I am the business manager for a small publisher. So, what do you do for a living? "

ra wrote on Apr 12, 2006 1:05 PM:

" Meme. Proof even a free education can't work miracles. Get educated, in any language. "

I wrote on Apr 12, 2006 1:00 PM:

" E.U.M., I noticed you asked Leonard what he does for a living. Other people have asked him this, but he WON'T answer that, or other questions. He's propbably working the system like the other illegals, at the taxpayer's expense! "

E.U.M wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:58 PM:

" leonard....the only thing I want you to understand it's that U.S needs hispanic people.. even if you want it or not.. "

E.U.M wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:54 PM:

" DH....U.S needs them. the types of work you do not want to do they would do it no matter what.... and it's to late to kick them out. Only Mexicans produce $45 billions for U.S. What about the rest of hispanis people???...... "

meme wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:53 PM:

" its nice to know that people stand up for their race should just stop hateing on mexicans this was their country anyways!!!!!!!!!!! "

meme wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:52 PM:

" its nice to know that people should just stop hateing on mexicans this was their country anyways!!!!!!!!!!! "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:51 PM:

" Ah... the ad hominem attack. The last refuge of those who cannot defend their own statements. You can launch baseless attacks on my character all day and all night, but it won't make your own position any stronger. "

E.U.M wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:48 PM:

" Mexicans did not cross the border, the border cross them "

E.U.M wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:43 PM:

" leonard what do you do for living??? "

Don wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:15 PM:

" Leonard, anyone can pick up a bible and quote scriptures out of it. You have a lot of balls to do so. Your posts are quite amusing, as so is your judge of character. Maybe you should practic what you preach. "

I wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:09 PM:

" This is why Leonard supports the illegals being here. He's living in the past, it's time to GET OVER IT! And because people don't think like him, he continues to tell almost everyone they are "incorrect" with their opinions. Leonard, you are a total nutcase. Seek professional help. "

I wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:06 PM:

" Yes, Border Patrol, either Leonard is illegal, or he simply just supports the illegals! He obviously doesn't support the law of the U.S.! He avoids the question all together. Too focused on lecturing the history of the land. He's ticked off that the Europeans took his ancestor's land away. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 11:07 AM:

" Radical, you just keep on repeating that over and over again, if it makes you feel better. :) "

RADICAL wrote on Apr 12, 2006 10:37 AM:

" Polls are a joke! You can twist results to say anything you want them to in order to fulfil an agenda. The agenda is to make the admin. look as bad as possible on every front at all times. "

ra wrote on Apr 12, 2006 10:35 AM:

" Apple Pie. Arrogance is a sure sign of ignorance. It's obvious that you are intolerant of viewpoints other than yours. What other name have you posted under in this discussion? "

RADICAL wrote on Apr 12, 2006 10:34 AM:

" When referring to polls about Bush's approval #'s you must identify the demographic being polled. Those low #'s are biased. Poll equally Dem's and Rep's and you see the real #'s. Dont fall for the media's lies! "

Native Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2006 10:26 AM:

" North Dakota. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 10:20 AM:

" Native: Were you grandparenmts South Dakotan Germans like most Lodi Germans? "

JOHNNY APPLE PIE wrote on Apr 12, 2006 10:20 AM:

" TAXPAYER AND CITIZEN YOU SEEM TO HAVE ALOT OF TIME ON YOUR HANDS I SEE ALL YOUR POSTINGS GET A LIFE AND TRY TO GET OUT OF THE TRAILER PARK SOMETIME "MORONS" POSTED YOU WERE TRAILER TRASH I THINK HE IS RIGHT.. "

Native Lodian wrote on Apr 12, 2006 10:12 AM:

" My great-grandparents came from Germany, had to work the fields and learn to speak the language,like millions before them. And they became legal, again like millions before them. No bi-lingual teachers in the schools for them. And they did just that. Why has that changed? For ANYBODY? "

Taxpayer and Citizen wrote on Apr 12, 2006 9:56 AM:

" If the same employers are paying them under the table, with no taxes withheld, I get the impression the same employers are paying even less than minimum wage. The employer definitely needs to be find and or punished. "

Taxpayer and Citizen wrote on Apr 12, 2006 9:54 AM:

" Most United States citizens are very agitated that these people, the ILLEGALS, who have broken the law by being here are demanding anything. They say they want to pay taxes. Why aren't their employers paying them over the table? "

Taxpayer and Citizen wrote on Apr 12, 2006 9:50 AM:

" A full 60 percent of Californians are against ILLEGAL immigration in a new poll. They want stiff fines on the employers and all ILLEGALS deported to wait their turn in line like everyone else. "

Joe wrote on Apr 12, 2006 8:52 AM:

" We better stop the hispanic invasion or we have horrors like the ones depicted in this story: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/life/3787672.html "

DH wrote on Apr 12, 2006 8:41 AM:

" E.U.M., U.S. would go down without hispanic people? Did you forget that this is about all illegals, but yet you have to throw the "hispanic" word in there again. Well I guess if U.S. weren't giving them work, they'd be the ones going down. "

Taxpayer and Citizen wrote on Apr 12, 2006 8:40 AM:

" Just fooling Leonard, it's only me being sarcastic again. I really respect you for your knowledge and intelligence and very well spoken and I deserve to be insulted. You also seem to be very informed on many topics. "

Border Patrol wrote on Apr 12, 2006 8:37 AM:

" We are coming to get you, Leonard. Are you legal? Please answer this question.I see by previous posts you have been asked several times and not responded, only with indignance. "

E.U.M wrote on Apr 12, 2006 8:01 AM:

" I don't call ia America, I call it United States...U.S would go down without hispanic people "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 7:18 AM:

" IMO: I only quoted the bible because someone else was claiming that God would have been against the immigrants. If you want to complain about the bible (which I suspect you only do becauise it does not support your argument) take it up with them. "

IMO wrote on Apr 12, 2006 7:11 AM:

" this is about our safety as Americans. it's not one country or the other that has illegals here. england, canada, and many others. it's now about bush or any other politician. it's about our right to protect ourselves as Americans. not about what religion you believe. "

IMO wrote on Apr 12, 2006 7:09 AM:

" instead of using a book to think for you, try harder and think for yourself. the bible is a best seller. name calling is for those that don't know better. Americans stay, those that choose to come to America, please do it the legal way. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 7:04 AM:

" SOLUTION: As for your other comment, if you think the Bible is "stupid" take it up with God. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 7:03 AM:

" According to the most recent polls, most people in America don't like Bush. Perhaps it is the Bush lovers who should leave. If you do leave, take Pombo, Delay and Abramoff with you. "

Solution wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:43 AM:

" Stacy: if you don't like Bush then leave our country. Go complain in Mexico, we don't want you here. Leonard you are back to having a case of the stupids again. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:40 AM:

" See, no paraphrase. If even God is against you, you must be wrong. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:40 AM:

" 18 He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the alien, giving him food and clothing. 19 And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:39 AM:

" 16 Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer. 17 For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:39 AM:

" 15 Yet the LORD set his affection on your forefathers and loved them, and he chose you, their descendants, above all the nations, as it is today. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:38 AM:

" Here is the whole passage as taken from the Bible (NIV). 14 To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:32 AM:

" I paraphrased nothing, I simply left out a section on how Mighty God is because of the length constraint. If you don't aren't right with your God, that is your problem, not mine. "

ra wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:23 AM:

" Those who paraphrase the bible to advance their own greed are the most insidious. "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:17 AM:

" Deut 10:17-19 says, "For theLORD yourGod is God of gods and Lord of lords,the great God.....He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow,and loves the alien,giving him food and clothing And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt. "

IMO wrote on Apr 12, 2006 5:59 AM:

" bush is dumb? yet you were the one that thought your dad would be taken back...it's not any one politician behind this, it's the American people that are behind this. do things correctly and life goes a bit easier. don't break the law. "

IMO wrote on Apr 12, 2006 5:56 AM:

" what would jesus do? i'm sure that many men named jesus have crossed, both legally and illegally. name calling, stone throwing, and insulting ones' writing. this isn't about mexico. this is about America. secure the borders. "

stacy wrote on Apr 12, 2006 5:51 AM:

" my dads mexican and i cryed cause i thought he had to be taken back!! bush is dumb!! how can he do this to our people!!! he needs to get out of office!! "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 3:43 AM:

" JEN: " safetyness"??? What is "safteyness"??? You people complain about how illegals can't speak English but you can't string a sentence together even though you were born here. HYPOCRITES!!! "

Leonard wrote on Apr 12, 2006 3:39 AM:

" SO BE IT: If your vision of American can only be defended by becoming a racist, then you need to change your vision of America. "

JEN wrote on Apr 11, 2006 11:56 PM:

" you want opportunities? so does MILLIONS. theres a lot getting their EDUCATION so they can come and attain their working **** in the US. why not try the GOOD way instead of hopping the borders? wouldnt you call that inhumane to be crawling in someones backyard? "

JEN wrote on Apr 11, 2006 11:55 PM:

" how they can call us a "nazi" or "inhumane" because we dont want illegals here in our country. just remember, that other people who LEGALLY come here go through health inspections, background check, to make sure of OUR safetyness. little do we know if these illegal immigrants are criminals? "

so be it wrote on Apr 11, 2006 11:13 PM:

" If it makes us rasicts, if we want to protect Americans and our country, then so be it! I will not apologize for that, ever! They are just calling us rasicts as a form of manipulation. "

Observer wrote on Apr 11, 2006 11:03 PM:

" I've read that approximately 29% of jail inmates are illegal immigrants. So they only come here to do work Americans won't do? "